substitution vs participation

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Coach,
I have read all your posts here & it looks like you story is changing to meet your request. You need to remember the officials are not there to screw you.

Also from reading this long thread it looks like you are also quoting old rule & case books. I would suggest next year when you are requested to attend a rules meeting you go. Your interpretation of the rule is wrong, period.

Regardless to how you feel, you had 12 players on the field. For whatever reason the count was not done until right before the snap, I know if I count 12 I do a recount. After the snap IT IS A LIVE BALL FOUL.

This whole thread reinforces my thought that if coaches put as much effort into knowing the rules, as they do into tell the officials they are wrong you might get what we are doing every Friday night.

Also Daggo66 wrote this "Rule 3.7.1 Situation B. It's on page 27. The case book explains the rule with real life situations. Yours is right there in black and white. I believe this is the part where you either say Mea Culpa or are never heard from again." read that rule.

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Youngump asks a great question and the answer is simple you can stop play after it starts and call the dead ball foul. It is not only suggested in the substitution rule it also is the safest thing to do. That’s why participation carries a higher penalty: if you run on after play begins it may be difficult to catch and is dangerous. That’s why substitution is a 5 yard penalty because it occurs outside of play and causes no danger.


*3.7 COMMENT, Page 26: a. If a replaced player or substitute attempts to leave the field, but does not get off prior to the snap, the foul is considered as having occurred simultaneously with the snap and the illegal substitution penalty is enforced from the previous spot. (3-7-4, 10-4-2a)