substitution vs participation

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

He clearly doesn't. Even if he did what he was supposed to do after messing up… he still messed up. The “if” is still in question. The only thing that has been established is his mistakes and the unethical nature and consequence of his mistakes.

Let's not forget that YOUR mistakes have also been established. YOU didn't get your personnel on and off the field like you should have and YOU were an a$$ to the official just as much as he was an a$$ to you. Whether you like it or not, the flag was thrown for illegal participation and that's 15 yards. Rather than whining about the official, get your act together on the sideline and make sure you never allow the official the chance to make that decision again.

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Let's not forget that YOUR mistakes have also been established. YOU didn't get your personnel on and off the field like you should have and YOU were an a$$ to the official just as much as he was an a$$ to you. Whether you like it or not, the flag was thrown for illegal participation and that's 15 yards. Rather than whining about the official, get your act together on the sideline and make sure you never allow the official the chance to make that decision again.

Thank you Coach! I can’t believe we are still talking about the rule – it’s the behavior by the coach and referee that is concerning.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by dumbref

Thank you Coach! I can’t believe we are still talking about the rule – it’s the behavior by the coach and referee that is concerning.

Yep...I coach football and ref basketball. I expect the football refs to treat me the way I treat basketball coaches, and I treat them the way I want to be treated when I'm wearing the stripes.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Let's not forget that YOUR mistakes have also been established. YOU didn't get your personnel on and off the field like you should have and YOU were an a$$ to the official just as much as he was an a$$ to you. Whether you like it or not, the flag was thrown for illegal participation and that's 15 yards. Rather than whining about the official, get your act together on the sideline and make sure you never allow the official the chance to make that decision again.

My Defensive coordinator immediately apologized to the officials for the substitution. All the official needed to say was “It takes me 3 mins to count to 12 and I wouldn’t have gotten there without your help.” So, the flaw with this rule is some crews never would allow a substitution penalty to become a participation penalty because they know how to count and others will never call a substitution penalty because they are unreasonably slow. The slow crews need to shut it down.