MNF Minn @ GB Over Officiated?

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why does the conclusion have to be over-officiating? I will say this game appeared to have the most penalties with 21. The Dallas-Cleveland game had 20. There were a couple of games this weekend that had 14.

Did it ever occur to you, that maybe the fouls were because the teams did not play very well? I guess it would depend on what kind of fouls took place. I just do not know why we judge how well we officiate a game by the number. For all you know all of the fouls were there and the league would accept every one. Or the crew with 5 fouls might have been accused of missing multiple plays.

Peace

Why are you so defensive Jeff? Did it ever occur to you to read what I wrote? I said that I was not paying that close attention but notice a flag on what seemed to be every play. Just wondering what others thought who actually watched the game. Heck they even had what appeared to be a PF for assiting a teammate in an attempt to block an extra point? There was no flow to the game and since ESPN didn't replay hardly any of the plays when there was a foul, I had no way to confirm. You have serious emotional problems. Please seek immediate help with your condition.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Why are you so defensive Jeff? Did it ever occur to you to read what I wrote? I said that I was not paying that close attention but notice a flag on what seemed to be every play. Just wondering what others thought who actually watched the game. Heck they even had what appeared to be a PF for assiting a teammate in an attempt to block an extra point? There was no flow to the game and since ESPN didn't replay hardly any of the plays when there was a foul, I had no way to confirm. You have serious emotional problems. Please seek immediate help with your condition.

I did not realize that I could not ask you to justify your comments. Was there a play you did not like the way it was called? Was there an interpretation that you did not agree with or understand? I do not think it is defensive to ask you to back up your claim that the game was over-officiated.

You may not realize NFL officials do not have the opportunity to take plays off or turn the other cheek unlike us high school and lower level college officials. If they do, that goes in their game report which can affect everything from their post season opportunities to if they keep their job. So if they called something you do not like, I am sure their higher-ups will agree with your expertise and downgrade the officials for not doing their job. Then again, you were watching the game on TV.

Peace

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize that I could not ask you to justify your comments. Was there a play you did not like the way it was called? Was there an interpretation that you did not agree with or understand? I do not think it is defensive to ask you to back up your claim that the game was over-officiated.

You may not realize NFL officials do not have the opportunity to take plays off or turn the other cheek unlike us high school and lower level college officials. If they do, that goes in their game report which can affect everything from their post season opportunities to if they keep their job. So if they called something you do not like, I am sure their higher-ups will agree with your expertise and downgrade the officials for not doing their job. Then again, you were watching the game on TV.

Peace

Since I was asking for an opinion and you didn't even see the game, why even respond?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Since I was asking for an opinion and you didn't even see the game, why even respond?

Since you did not even know what was called, why even start a post?

I do not have to see a game to know what you are trying to imply. And since you did not at the very least hear the commentary or the Referee's explanation, I really do not see why you are any more qualified to talk about the play than I am. You also said you did not see any replays of the fouls. Either you missed the replays or you did not understand what they were showing.

If you are offended by people asking you questions, then this is certainly the wrong place to come for sure.

Peace

[MJT]

I saw the game. A few illegal formations and several defensive offsides were called early. I think it was a sloppy game and the players did not adjust to how closely they may have been calling these two (somewhat judgemental) fouls. After one DOF or IF is called, the players had better WAKE UP and get out of the NZ and make sure the offensive tackles are on the LOS.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by MJT

I saw the game. A few illegal formations and several defensive offsides were called early. I think it was a sloppy game and the players did not adjust to how closely they may have been calling these two (somewhat judgemental) fouls. After one DOF or IF is called, the players had better WAKE UP and get out of the NZ and make sure the offensive tackles are on the LOS.

For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.

[Texas Aggie]

the pass does not need to cross the line of scrimmage in order to have IDF

So all those screen passes I've seen in the NFL over the years were illegal but uncalled?

[hawkishowl20]

I was under the impression plays with passes behind the LOS are technically runs. Hence screens, jailbreaks, shuffle passes, etc.

[mikesears]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

So all those screen passes I've seen in the NFL over the years were illegal but uncalled?

I just checked with an NFL official I know. Interior linemen are not allowed any more than 1 yard beyond the line of scrimmage before any pass is thrown (behind or beyond the neutral zone). They are not allowed to block until the pass is caught but they give them a little leeway with this. So if you are seeing this and it isn't being called, someone's getting dinged.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.

Do you understand that the NFL grades each official on each down of the game? There are some officials who do not mess up a foul call/no call situation over the entire season. These officials are not missing 9 out of 10 fouls.

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play.

HAHAHA

[Ed Hickland]

I just love these discussions especially by officials who should know better.

The number of penalties called is not so much a reflection of the officiating crew but more of the team being penalized. Officials do not commit penalties, players andtheir teams do.

I did not watch the entire Monday Night game but there were a number of procedural penalties. Officials call these because they occur. These are an indication to the coaching staff, you got some work to do.

A true indication of an official's work is the number of no-calls and calls.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Do you understand that the NFL grades each official on each down of the game? There are some officials who do not mess up a foul call/no call situation over the entire season. These officials are not missing 9 out of 10 fouls.
HAHAHA

They really can't grade offensive holding calls. I know it’s difficult if not impossible to do. The term “it happens on every play” is a term for a reason. The point is they push it and influence the play.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.

This is way off the mark.

It was under-officiated because the NFL no longer needs to give the Packers special treatment since Brett Favre left.

And what's "wizarding"? Do they send the DE to a different dimension?

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

This is way off the mark.

It was under-officiated because the NFL no longer needs to give the Packers special treatment since Brett Favre left.

And what's "wizarding"? Do they send the DE to a different dimension?

A wizard is a wrestling move that involves clamping on an arm. If I put a wizard on you your arm would be in my armpit with my elbow joint holding/traping it there.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

This is way off the mark.

It was under-officiated because the NFL no longer needs to give the Packers special treatment since Brett Favre left.

And what's "wizarding"? Do they send the DE to a different dimension?

You should know the post was tongue and cheek and worded in the best homer language I could come up with.