Nfhs 8.3.9

[HL Clippenchain]

OK, since we're talking about this...

Let's say, A scores on a windy day and a sloggy field. The try for point ties the game early in the 4th quarter. B's captain informs you that they want to kick.

How do you go about informing both sides what is about to happen (assuming you're not mic'ed)?

Do we call both teams captains out to the 50?
Do we only communicate to an A captain, since B knows what's going on?
Do we simply trot over to A's coach and tell him what's up?
Do we confirm with B's coach that he wants to kick, then go to A's coach to inform him?
Is there a signal or indication that R needs to make?

Basically, I'm just wondering that how we communicate this to all interested parties in an efficient manner, keeping in mind that it will NEVER happen.

Thanks,
HLC

[JugglingReferee]

I can see this choice being used in Canada when late in the game, the team scored upon previously elected to apply a UR foul (to their benefit) on the ensuing kick-off, and the try tied the game or put A up by 1.

Play: 0:16 left in the 4Q. A scores, and after the foul, A also commits UR. B chooses to apply on the kick-off, because they believe that A's quality kicker wll make the PAT on the try anyway.

Ruling: With the expected choice of A kicking-off, they would do so 15 yards back, at their own 30. But B surprises us and elects to kick-off. Instead of their own 45, they now kick-off at the A-50. Kicking a single point here could win the game.

[jack015]

The rule states "after a try" the opponet of the scoring team chooses who will kickoff. Do they have the same option after a successful field goal?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jack015

The rule states "after a try" the opponet of the scoring team chooses who will kickoff. Do they have the same option after a successful field goal?

I think so in most USAn codes. However, in the NFL ~30 years ago they eliminated the choice after a try but kept it for a few years after a FG before eliminating it there too. I don't know what they were thinking.

Earlier than that in Canadian football they gave the team scored against the additional option of resuming play as if only a rouge, rather than a FG, had been scored against them. At the time that meant scrimmaging from their own 35, and AFAIK that one's still in effect; but the CFL later adopted a rule making the PLS the place to resume following a rouge, but not following a FG, if farther out than the 35.

The only other option I think would be interesting in those versions of football where the goals are on the goal line (only Canadian football now) would be for the ball to remain live following a FG and for play to simply continue. A version of that would be interesting in basketball too. Maybe even lacrosse or hockey if you removed the goal nets.

Robert

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I think so in most USAn codes. However, in the NFL ~30 years ago they eliminated the choice after a try but kept it for a few years after a FG before eliminating it there too. I don't know what they were thinking.

Earlier than that in Canadian football they gave the team scored against the additional option of resuming play as if only a rouge, rather than a FG, had been scored against them. At the time that meant scrimmaging from their own 35, and AFAIK that one's still in effect; but the CFL later adopted a rule making the PLS the place to resume following a rouge, but not following a FG, if farther out than the 35.

The only other option I think would be interesting in those versions of football where the goals are on the goal line (only Canadian football now) would be for the ball to remain live following a FG and for play to simply continue. A version of that would be interesting in basketball too. Maybe even lacrosse or hockey if you removed the goal nets.

Robert

True! And in our NCAA-equivalent games, it is always a pre-game mention for the HL to mentally note the LS if a FGA is from outside the 35, because should a downsbox move when they're not supposed to, the HL's memory serves as a backup.

Also note that if the PLS is used, the scrimmaging team DOES NOT get the chance to choose from where between the hash marks the snap is: it is from the PLS, which is the Point of Last Scrimmage, not the Previous Line of Scrimmage.

Having a missed FGA live in Canadian football is very very exciting! As soon as the kicked FGA crosses the LS, the side guys go down to cover the pylons, and along with the deep guys, get the "inside-outside look" that we stress.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Having a missed FGA live in Canadian football is very very exciting!

Wouldn't it also be exciting if made FGs remained live?

A tradition was established long ago in football & similar games that play should be interrupted when a goal is scored, and that made sense in most cases, but when they started allowing play behind the goal in various games, somebody should've given a thought to simply recording the score on the fly & continuing from there.

Robert

[CaUmpJW]

jack 015,

8-4-2 states that after a field goal, the opponent of the scoring team shall designate which team kicks off. It is the same as 8-3-9