Ravens/Patriots last night

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Was that a good call to end the game? After all the pass was to a tight end and there is almost always some sort of bumping going on. Personally I thought it was a bad call but as mentioned above the Ravens lost that game themselves.

The defender grabbed onto him for about 2 seconds while the receiver was trying to run past him. Obviously a foul, either DPI or holding depending on where the ball was.

And I don't know what games you are watching where the defense is allowed to do "some sort of bumping" against receivers 10-15 yards downfield. And I don't see how him being a tight end has any significance whatsoever.

[bisonlj]

I didn't get a good look at the replay on the defensive holding call. I'd like to see a slow-motion replay. That's the receiver the BJ keys on in 7-man so I know he was looking there and knows what to look for. I'll assume it was a good call.

The comments do concern me if they are true. He may have been trying to talk to the player on his level to make communicate more effectively but that was probably inappropriate.

I thought the players were going to strangle the coaches after the timeout on 4th and 1. I'm curious to see that replay again because I wonder if the Patriots OL let up a little when the heard the whistle and thus allowed the Ravens to stop them. That was my reaction seeing it in real time so to say the Ravens "stopped" them isn't necessarily accurate.

I heard the Ravens announcer complaining about not overturning the last Patriots touchdown. I thought that one was a no-brainer to let stand. He was adamant the ball was incomplete. It's definitely different watching the game with home team bias.

[JRutledge]

Defensive holding or illegal contact has been called all year rather consistently. I saw a call in favor of the Bears last week where the contact was less than in the Monday Night game. I saw a call this Sunday against the Vikings in favor of Roy Williams. Those are just two examples I saw that were even less contact and I did not see much complaining by the media about those calls.

Secondly, the catch at the end of the game was good. The receiver never missed a beat when the ball hit his hands. It was not even close. A catch is not required to be completely tucked in your chest.

This game is just another example on how people who have never strapped on the whistle do not have a clue as to what happens in a game.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Defensive holding or illegal contact has been called all year rather consistently. I saw a call in favor of the Bears last week where the contact was less than in the Monday Night game. I saw a call this Sunday against the Vikings in favor of Roy Williams. Those are just two examples I saw that were even less contact and I did not see much complaining by the media about those calls.

Secondly, the catch at the end of the game was good. The receiver never missed a beat when the ball hit his hands. It was not even close. A catch is not required to be completely tucked in your chest.

This game is just another example on how people who have never strapped on the whistle do not have a clue as to what happens in a game.

Peace

Personally, I don't get the *****ing on the defensive holding call -- it was quite freaking obvious. WAY more than 5 yards downfield, the defender held the receiver for at least 2 steps and then let him go. I'd be wondering why the official DIDN'T throw the flag. Hell, it's illegal contact or holding - doesn't matter as both carry an AFD in the NFL.

Throwing the flag should've been an ejection.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Personally, I don't get the *****ing on the defensive holding call -- it was quite freaking obvious. WAY more than 5 yards downfield, the defender held the receiver for at least 2 steps and then let him go. I'd be wondering why the official DIDN'T throw the flag. Hell, it's illegal contact or holding - doesn't matter as both carry an AFD in the NFL.

Throwing the flag should've been an ejection.

Also the flag was out before the ball got to the receiver. So it was clear the official knew what he saw and already had made a decision.

Peace

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Throwing the flag should've been an ejection.

I agree. Does the NFL not require an ejection for receiving 2 USC penalties?

(FWIW - when I heard about the incident, my first reaction was shock that it happened in a game where I wasn't officiating. )

[golfnref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I agree. Does the NFL not require an ejection for receiving 2 USC penalties?

(FWIW - when I heard about the incident, my first reaction was shock that it happened in a game where I wasn't officiating. )

There is no NFL rule requiring ejection for two USC fouls.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by golfnref

There is no NFL rule requiring ejection for two USC fouls.

There's nothing stopping the WH from tossing this buffoon, either.

[RoyGardner]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

..... I'm curious to see that replay again because I wonder if the Patriots OL let up a little when the heard the whistle and thus allowed the Ravens to stop them. That was my reaction seeing it in real time so to say the Ravens "stopped" them isn't necessarily accurate.

Wing official was clearly blowing his whistle, killing the clock, and coming in toward the R just before the snap on this one. Very probable that at least some of the O line knew that the play had been killed.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I heard the Ravens announcer complaining about not overturning the last Patriots touchdown. I thought that one was a no-brainer to let stand. He was adamant the ball was incomplete.

I hate homers.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The defender grabbed onto him for about 2 seconds while the receiver was trying to run past him. Obviously a foul, either DPI or holding depending on where the ball was.

And I don't know what games you are watching where the defense is allowed to do "some sort of bumping" against receivers 10-15 yards downfield. And I don't see how him being a tight end has any significance whatsoever.

Exactly. Even if it's not flagged as holding, it's definitely illegal contact. You can't contact a receiver beyond the 5 yard chuck zone in the NFL.

Yes, it was an excellent call.

[Rick KY]

Is any coach permitted to call a TO in NFL, or just the head coach? If only the HC, then this TO was granted incorrectly.

[refbuz]

Originally Posted by Rick KY

Is any coach permitted to call a TO in NFL, or just the head coach? If only the HC, then this TO was granted incorrectly.

Technically, only the head coach can call the TO, but it wasn't granted incorrectly either.

Originally Posted by Peter King

New England ball, fourth-and-1, Baltimore 30, 1:48 left, Baltimore up 24-20. At the last second before the snap, Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan calls timeout. The play went on, with Baltimore stuffing Tom Brady for a loss and, theoretically, that should have been New England's last gasp. One problem. Only the head coach is supposed to be able to call time on the sidelines. But in this case, the league has interpreted the rule on a last-millisecond timeout call that the side official cannot be responsible for seeing whether it's the head coach or another coach who calls time. So it's technically legal for Ryan to have called the timeout, and the league's point is the head coach is responsible for controlling his bench. In this case, Brian Billick has to be responsible for his sideline, and when Ryan calls time, the burden is on Billick to accept the call because it happened on the Baltimore sideline.

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