Isn't this a Safety?

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In NCAA, is the ball dead when an illegal kick occurs? I thought I read that somewhere on one of these forums.

There is a difference between an illegal kick and illegally kicking the ball.

Ex: On a punt attempt the punter scrambles and crosses the LOS before kicking. This is an illegal kick and the ball becomes dead. Or on a punt attempt the punter muffs the snap and kicks the ball as it is rolling in the ground, this is illegally kicking the ball and the ball is NOT dead. at the moment of the kick.

[Welpe]

I see, thanks Mike.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by TXMike

There is a difference between an illegal kick and illegally kicking the ball.

Ex: On a punt attempt the punter scrambles and crosses the LOS before kicking. This is an illegal kick and the ball becomes dead. Or on a punt attempt the punter muffs the snap and kicks the ball as it is rolling in the ground, this is illegally kicking the ball and the ball is NOT dead. at the moment of the kick.

Is this spelled out separately in the rules or AR's? What are the differences?

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Is this spelled out separately in the rules or AR's? What are the differences?

They are prety clear in rules and ARs. The essential difference is that illegally kickking the ball would require a ball to be "loose" when it is kicked whereas an "illegal kick" is just a place kick, punt or drop kick not made according to rule.

[MJT]

This is a great rule difference between NF and NCAA. I wish NF would have the same rule so the enforcement and LOD could result in B taking the ball at the 1. In NF, this is not a LOD foul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by MJT

This is a great rule difference between NF and NCAA. I wish NF would have the same rule so the enforcement and LOD could result in B taking the ball at the 1. In NF, this is not a LOD foul.

Do you think the threat of loss of down is necessary to discourage this tactic so badly? It doesn't look like that big a tactical advantage.

[reddevil19]

Of all the times I've seen the play described in the OP, I don't remember the punter ever kicking the ball back out of the EZ from anywhere other than in the EZ. If the OP scenario was changed to illegally kicking the ball out of the EZ from WITHIN the EZ, then that woud be an automatic safety correct?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by reddevil19

Of all the times I've seen the play described in the OP, I don't remember the punter ever kicking the ball back out of the EZ from anywhere other than in the EZ. If the OP scenario was changed to illegally kicking the ball out of the EZ from WITHIN the EZ, then that woud be an automatic safety correct?

Yes because the enforcement of the penalty (spot foul in end zone = safety) and the result of the play (safety) are the same thing.