Fouls by A and B during the same DB Interval

[Kirby]

FeetBallRef,

Do you have it backwards? I have that B60 jumped into the NZ and A60 committed the PF.

Therefore, enforce the DB fouls in the order they occurred and award a new series if after any enforcement the ball is beyond the line to gain.

The end result is 1st and 10 for A from the A-40 yardline.

FeetBallRef gave one rule reference that applies, the other one is I believe in Rule 5 somewhere (sorry, don't have books in the office this morning).

[breynolds]

Kirby got it. It was the awarding of the new series that was confusing me. For some reason, I wanted to enforce both DB fouls before determining whether or not it results in a first down.

But, 5-1-2a says, "After a first, second, or third down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down other than non-player or unsportsmanlike conduct fouls by A, and any dead-ball foul by B.

It does not mention anything about DB fouls by A or DB fouls by both teams. I can't find any case book situation on it either, so I agree...

1st and 10 for A from A40.

Thanks.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by breynolds

Kirby got it. It was the awarding of the new series that was confusing me. For some reason, I wanted to enforce both DB fouls before determining whether or not it results in a first down.

But, 5-1-2a says, "After a first, second, or third down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down other than non-player or unsportsmanlike conduct fouls by A, and any dead-ball foul by B.

It does not mention anything about DB fouls by A or DB fouls by both teams. I can't find any case book situation on it either, so I agree...

1st and 10 for A from A40.

Wait a minute...you take the rule book's silence re fouls in the dead ball interval by A to mean the new series is awarded after A's foul? What about the mention of one working to the exclusion of others?

I read what you quoted just the opposite. The dead ball foul by B occurs 1st, resulting in a new series, then the foul by A, resulting in 1st & 25 for A at A's 40.

Robert

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

... The dead ball foul by B occurs 1st, resulting in a new series, then the foul by A, resulting in 1st & 25 for A at A's 40.

REPLY: You're partially right. Yes...the dead ball foul by B results in a new series for A. But no, the chains are not set until all dead ball fouls--including the one by A--prior to the ensuing ready for play are enforced. So it will be 1st-10.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: You're partially right. Yes...the dead ball foul by B results in a new series for A. But no, the chains are not set until all dead ball fouls--including the one by A--prior to the ensuing ready for play are enforced. So it will be 1st-10.

Then Fed sure has a strange way of putting it!