Another potential Illegal Participation play

[With_Two_Flakes]

NCAA

Rule 6-3-12
No Team A player who goes out of bounds during a scrimmage kick down may return inbounds during the down (Exception: This does not apply to a Team A player who is blocked out of bounds and attempts to return inbounds immediately).
PENALTY -
Live-ball foul. Five yards from the previous spot [S19].

[nvfoa15]

Again, K99 did not return inbounds...

[With_Two_Flakes]

Originally Posted by nvfoa15

Again, K99 did not return inbounds...

D'Oh!
My bad - I need to take my time and read these things twice before I answer

This question gets nastier and nastier the more I think about it. Under NCAA rules, K99 hasn't even illegally touched it as he isn't inbounds.

Rule 6-3-2-a
No inbounds player of the kicking team shall touch a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone before it touches an opponent. Such illegal touching is a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation.

The only thing I could think of (and it's a real stretch) would be

Rule 3-5-2-d
Substitutes who become players must remain in the game for one play....

although I'm sure the spirit of that Rule was not meant to cover such situations as this.

[jhumm]

Great play. Should have read it closer. Sorry for the obvious answer. I can't think of anything specific in the NFHS rule book, but it does seem like an illegal play.

[l3will]

K99 is out of bounds ...k99 remained out of bounds ... so here goes without rule reference or books.

1. K99 bats ball while ball is in bounds... illegal participation (he participated in the play by batting a live ball in the field of play)
2. K99 bats ball while ball is out of bounds or while kick is in the air above the sideline... ball is dead because the ball is out of bounds. R's ball at the out of bounds
spot.

[wisref2]

Originally Posted by l3will

K99 is out of bounds ...k99 remained out of bounds ... so here goes without rule reference or books.

1. K99 bats ball while ball is in bounds... illegal participation (he participated in the play by batting a live ball in the field of play)
2. K99 bats ball while ball is out of bounds or while kick is in the air above the sideline... ball is dead because the ball is out of bounds. R's ball at the out of bounds
spot.

For #1 - he has the legal right to touch the ball. He is still a player, and any player may recover a loose ball. No different than a player sliding out of bound trying to recover the ball then touching it while he was out of bounds.

[l3will]

My thinking is that K99 chose to go out of bounds and he chose to stay out
of bounds... when he reaches back in to the field of play while still standing
out of bounds he violates the spirit of the rule. 9-6-2.

So what would you do... declare it dead at the one even though the kick would have crossed the goal line.?

Great play for thought...

I'd might even invoke 9-9-1...
A player or nonplayer or person not subject to the rules shall not hinder play
by an unfair act which has no specific coverage. In this case probably declare
it a touchback .

My thought, your opinion may vary