The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Football
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 20, 2007, 03:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Newport, KY
Posts: 176
There are two pass plays I hate to see as an umpire. The first is the TE coming across toward me bringing the LB with him. The second is the middle screen well desguised as a drop back pass play.

I try to get to the line quickly to avoid downfield pass plays, but then you've got to keep your head on a swivel to see that screen play when the slot receiver slides down the LOS to the middle where the snap took place.
__________________
Rick
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Mar 22, 2007, 03:59pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Randolph, NJ
Posts: 1,936
Send a message via Yahoo to waltjp
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick KY
There are two pass plays I hate to see as an umpire. The first is the TE coming across toward me bringing the LB with him. The second is the middle screen well desguised as a drop back pass play.

I try to get to the line quickly to avoid downfield pass plays, but then you've got to keep your head on a swivel to see that screen play when the slot receiver slides down the LOS to the middle where the snap took place.
I know you said pass plays but a well executed draw is just as bad. You read pass and start to step up and all of a sudden you have someone with the ball chugging right for ya!
__________________
I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Fri Mar 23, 2007, 10:25am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 127
I would agree with Walt. The middle draw where the QB and O-Line have done a good job of creating a "pass read" so U is moving up to the LOS, then O-Line and RB fire straight back up the middle leaves the U with players in the front coming at him with 1 or more linebackers coming hard from his back. I can attest to the fact that the suggestion of "stay planted and let the RB go left or right around you" does not work real good on this kind of draw.
__________________
"It's easy to get the players, Getting 'em to play together, that's the hard part." - Casey Stengel
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Fri Mar 23, 2007, 12:10pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyGardner
I would agree with Walt. The middle draw where the QB and O-Line have done a good job of creating a "pass read" so U is moving up to the LOS, then O-Line and RB fire straight back up the middle leaves the U with players in the front coming at him with 1 or more linebackers coming hard from his back. I can attest to the fact that the suggestion of "stay planted and let the RB go left or right around you" does not work real good on this kind of draw.
I think they'll avoid you if you get a reputation as a good tackler.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Mar 26, 2007, 08:35am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Newport, KY
Posts: 176
Last season, in the state quarterfinals, I got caught up in a draw play just as you described. The runner, his lead blocker, several defenders, and I all met at the same spot. I was in the middle with players all around so I did not go down. But it was a tense moment to be sure.

Does anybody have tips on reading the draw or the middle screen?
__________________
Rick
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Mar 26, 2007, 10:23am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick KY
Last season, in the state quarterfinals, I got caught up in a draw play just as you described. The runner, his lead blocker, several defenders, and I all met at the same spot. I was in the middle with players all around so I did not go down. But it was a tense moment to be sure.

Does anybody have tips on reading the draw or the middle screen?
Of course you'd be most concerned about a middle draw (or the middle screen). If you look at how they coach blocking schemes, middle screens (and to some extent draws) stick out in that they'll have the guards doing opposite things. If at least one guard pulls, you're probably safe (though not against a trap). Usually on non-pull plays the guards will be blocking in the same direction, left or right. If you see the RG blocking left, and the LG blocking right -- in other words, each one is giving the defender the inside, then you have a problem. If you see each one giving the defender the outside, you're probably seeing pass protection, but that could easily develop into a middle draw if they do it to an extreme.

However, if you see the middle of the line all cut block, then you have a quick pass over the middle!

Robert
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
forward pass/backwards pass cyrick Football 8 Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:59pm
Self Pass IREFU2 Basketball 18 Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:43pm
Pass Interference on an Illegal Forward Pass OverAndBack Football 8 Mon Aug 23, 2004 03:11pm
"Self Pass?" John Marshall Basketball 6 Thu Nov 08, 2001 05:42pm
Muffed Pass: Fumble or Pass DH Anderson Basketball 9 Tue Jan 18, 2000 05:05pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:57pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1