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[FootballRef05]

[QUOTE=Theisey]There are many times when a BBW is illegal (NCAA) such as after any change of team possession, during a kick down, during a scrimmage down and you did it do an eligible receiver, a team-A player in position to receive backwards pass behind the NZ, team-A players 7 yards outside the middle lineman blocking towards the original position of the bali up to 10 yards beyond the NZ, same goes for backs.

When in doubt there, it is below the waist.[/QUOTE]

On page 85 of the Fed Officials Manual

Guides for - When In Question

Incomplete pass or Fumble - Incomplete pass
Forward or Backward pass- Forward
Kick or pass touched or not - Not
Catch or not - No Catch
Passer has thrown or Fumbled - Has Thrown
Touchback or Saftey- Touchback
Fumble or Dead Ball - Dead Ball
Apparently Injured or Not- Injured
Apparently Unconscious or Not - Unconscious
Accidental or Intentional - Accidental (Contact,Touching,Kicking)
Legal Block or Clip - Legal
Block Above or Below the Waist - ABOVE
5-15 Face Mask- 15
5-15 Kicker/Holder - 15

[Theisey]

Thanks Footballref05.. Just a pointer to that page would have been just fine.

It's just that I happen to believe "their" versions of when in doubt is on the wrong side of the coin.
I tend to hold more faith in the Redding guide and the NCAA way of handling the same kind of block.
Since it's not a rule, I can't be accused of making up my own.

I'll stick with when in doubt/question, the block is below the waist.

[FootballRef05]

When you err on the side of saftey you usually can't get in trouble.

I thought the other "When in Question" examples would be a nice reminder/tool for those that have not see it in a while or maybe never have read it.

[andy1033]

Don;t confuse safety with the knowledge of the rules. Example.... B grabs top of helmet and does not touch any opening or facemask. You might consider this a safety problem but it is not a foul.

[FootballRef05]

Originally Posted by andy1033

Don;t confuse safety with the knowledge of the rules. Example.... B grabs top of helmet and does not touch any opening or facemask. You might consider this a safety problem but it is not a foul.

I'm not confused between saftey and rules knowledge. While I don't necessarily agree with Theisey, I understand his point. My point was with the
BBW, if he deems that it was a saftey then that's his judgement and with a BBW he can't get into much trouble making that call. Contact with the top of a opponents helmet is not even close to BBW. Besides touching the facemask does not constitute a penalty. Grasping does 5 yards, twisting, turning or pulling 15 yards.