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[SouthGARef]

Didn't someone earlier say they ran two wings in this game, with no umpire?

[FootballRef05]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

Didn't someone earlier say they ran two wings in this game, with no umpire?

I see guys here do that all the time and it drives me nuts. Our association's mechanics for 3 mean are R,U and L. Guys are always moving the U over to the J and it is not supposed to be that way. I don't know why guys insist on doing it their own way.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by FootballRef05

I see guys here do that all the time and it drives me nuts. Our association's mechanics for 3 mean are R,U and L. Guys are always moving the U over to the J and it is not supposed to be that way. I don't know why guys insist on doing it their own way.

Because it's better that way and those crews have common sense.

[FootballRef05]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Because it's better that way and those crews have common sense.

When they run for office, win and head up the association the can change the mechanics we are supposed to use. Until then they should follow the mechaincs.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by FootballRef05

When they run for office, win and head up the association the can change the mechanics we are supposed to use. Until then they should follow the mechaincs.

I don't have this problem since I never work with less than 4. Heck, I wouldn't accept an assignment with less than 4.

But why should you CARE how a group of three officials work a 3-man game? You must be one of the leaders of the association or something.

BTW, if you've never done the R and 2 wing thing, you should give it a shot. It's much better than having someone try to get to an empty sideline on a sweep. And the R can spot the ball and watch the line play sufficiently well.

[MJT]

Just watched the videos and here is my take.

No foul in play 1. He is engaged at 2 yards and his forward momentum takes him to 2.5 yards after the D-lineman gets by him. This is why it is critical to see the whole play. We have a the same problem when we work 3-man for MS games in that the U has to drop back when there is a pass instead of stepping up to the LOS.

No foul in play #2. It looks to me as if although the blocker puts his head down, the initial contact is above the waist and then he slides down. This is a 15 yard penalty and you had better be sure if you are going to call it.
Remember, the "when in doubt" guideline for "block above or below the waist" is "above the waist."

[Theisey]

Originally Posted by MJT

.... This is a 15 yard penalty and you had better be sure if you are going to call it.
Remember, the "when in doubt" guideline for "block above or below the waist" is "above the waist."

Agree you have to see the whole thing. And of course you only get one shot at it. (unless of course your brain has a replay option for a couple of milliseconds )

Actually the when in doubt for a block below the waist is that it "is below the waist". (source below)
I had some doubts on this play, reviewed the play twice but stayed with my original call that it was below the waist.

The Redding book for NFHS lists many more WID statements than the NCAA formally does, but in both cases they are the same for this block.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

Didn't someone earlier say they ran two wings in this game, with no umpire?

Ah, you're right. My bad.

Just in general terms, though, if you are the only wing (which happens), you have to pay a bit of attention to the other side of the line if you can. Other than that, no, you wouldn't want to call that over there, I don't think.

[SouthGARef]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Just in general terms, though, if you are the only wing (which happens), you have to pay a bit of attention to the other side of the line if you can. Other than that, no, you wouldn't want to call that over there, I don't think.

Agreed. If there's no wing over there, maybe you call it. But in this case, definately not.

At BEST, this is a marginal call. And you NEVER make a marginal call in your partner's area.

[OverAndBack]

Oh, I wouldn't have called it because he got 2 yards downfield and wasn't involved in the play and it wasn't in my area. I hopefully wouldn't have seen it at all, though maybe he's Peripheral Vision Man.

[SouthGARef]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Peripheral Vision Man.

You been watching Studio 60???

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

You been watching Studio 60???

My new favorite show, man!

[GBL]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

Agreed. If there's no wing over there, maybe you call it. But in this case, definately not.

At BEST, this is a marginal call. And you NEVER make a marginal call in your partner's area.

Am I watching a different video?
If this is 3 man there is no right side wing. I see a HL and an umpire. I'm assuming the R was out of the picture.
I don't agree with the call, but have no problem with the only wingman watching the entire line.
As a stand alone play I also disagree with the BBW. Initial contact was clearly made at the shoulder pads, however, who knows if there was previous history with this team or that player which made the referee interpret the block a little differently.