Auburn-LSU PI non-call

[brokerrookie]

Seems that without the defenders arm draped around the receiver he could have adjusted to at least have a play on the ball. I am by no means a football official (basketball, and yes I have blown calls), but a play that affects the outcome, was called on the field, but overturned by replay officials seemed odd. I know it happens but in the manner that the officials met, discussed, walked to the sidelines, made the announcement and then overturned. And before anyone asks, yes I have LSU season tickets. I wish this could have been sorted out by traditional means.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by brokerrookie

Seems that without the defenders arm draped around the receiver he could have adjusted to at least have a play on the ball.

I do not know that I agree with that. I have been a football official for some time know and I have no idea how the receiver would have been able to "adjust" and make a play on a play of this nature. But an uncatchable ball is a judgment call.

Originally Posted by brokerrookie

I am by no means a football official (basketball, and yes I have blown calls), but a play that affects the outcome, was called on the field, but overturned by replay officials seemed odd.

I was under the impression that the officials on the field made this decision and this was not made by the replay official at all. You cannot review a penalty situation in the first place.

Originally Posted by brokerrookie

I know it happens but in the manner that the officials met, discussed, walked to the sidelines, made the announcement and then overturned. And before anyone asks, yes I have LSU season tickets. I wish this could have been sorted out by traditional means.

I think you are clouded by your affiliation of the LSU Tigers. Once again, the play was changed by the officials on the field. This has been said a few times just on this board. Even on the tape, the play was changed by the officials and there was no review from the replay officials. Sounds pretty traditional to me.

Peace

[NickelDeuce]

jRutledge is right on. I had a problem with this at first but it all comes down to the fact that the second auburn defender deflects the ball away making it uncatchable for the receiver. You don't have DPI on an uncatchable pass.

The DB that the deflected the pass saved his teammate from getting a DPI call. It's tough but it's correct.

[brokerrookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you are clouded by your affiliation of the LSU Tigers. Once again, the play was changed by the officials on the field. This has been said a few times just on this board. Even on the tape, the play was changed by the officials and there was no review from the replay officials. Sounds pretty traditional to me.

Peace

Absolutely, and if you just said I was right I would at least feel a little better!

[jbduke]

Broker,

What you and everybody I've heard gripe about this call have ignored is that the ball was well underthrown. The angle that Doucet was taking to the end zon was far too wide for the ball to have connected with him had there not been pass interference; without contact on the receiver and the ball, the ball is thrown well behind Doucet, who would not have been able to do a "stop180," which is what he would have had to do, from a full sprint, to catch the ball. The irony is that it was the grab by the Auburn defender that created a situation in which the ball at least had a chance to be caught; until, that is, it was knocked away, making it, for the second time, uncatchable.

jb

[JugglingReferee]

BTTT.

http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?p=521129

[Texas Aggie]

First of all, I agree with the no call. Ball is uncatchable. However, in the first pic posted, I *think* the players look closer than they actually are. The Auburn defender that tipped the ball, when he tipped it, was at least 2 yards in front of the receiver with the receiver moving even further away at the time.

NOW, take the same situation but one where the tip by the second defender is close enough that you believe that without the contact by the first defender, the pass is catchable. In other words, put this same play closer. Do you have DPI then? I hate to sound like I'm thinking too much into it, but I think you have to consider it then.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

First of all, I agree with the no call. Ball is uncatchable. However, in the first pic posted, I *think* the players look closer than they actually are. The Auburn defender that tipped the ball, when he tipped it, was at least 2 yards in front of the receiver with the receiver moving even further away at the time.

NOW, take the same situation but one where the tip by the second defender is close enough that you believe that without the contact by the first defender, the pass is catchable. In other words, put this same play closer. Do you have DPI then? I hate to sound like I'm thinking too much into it, but I think you have to consider it then.

Yup.

IMHO, if the tip comes after illegal contact, and the ball is catchable after the tip, the DPI (or OPI) still remains a possibility.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yup.

IMHO, if the tip comes after illegal contact, and the ball is catchable after the tip, the DPI (or OPI) still remains a possibility.

From the overhead shot it looks like the illegal contact caused caused the receiver not to be in position to make a reasonable attempt to catch the ball, of course, the officials did not have an overhead shot.

The defender obviously felt he was beat and interfering was the only way to prevent a touchdown, needless did he know his teammate would break up the pass.

Two things: we should blame Jamarcus Russell for throwing such a poor pass. For us NFHS guys this is pass interference since every pass is defined as catchable.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

First of all, I agree with the no call. Ball is uncatchable. However, in the first pic posted, I *think* the players look closer than they actually are. The Auburn defender that tipped the ball, when he tipped it, was at least 2 yards in front of the receiver with the receiver moving even further away at the time.

NOW, take the same situation but one where the tip by the second defender is close enough that you believe that without the contact by the first defender, the pass is catchable. In other words, put this same play closer. Do you have DPI then? I hate to sound like I'm thinking too much into it, but I think you have to consider it then.

It is gonna take more than just being closer. In this play, the receiver has already left his feet so there is no way he is going to be able to go forward. He jumped straight up to stop his momentum from his route as the pass was on a line to go slightly behind him (but catchable had it not been cut off by the defender). If he had stayed on the ground you absolutely have to give him the benefit of the doubt but by jumping straight up, he has taken away any chance of moving himself forward to even compete for the ball.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by TXMike

It is gonna take more than just being closer. In this play, the receiver has already left his feet so there is no way he is going to be able to go forward. He jumped straight up to stop his momentum from his route as the pass was on a line to go slightly behind him (but catchable had it not been cut off by the defender). If he had stayed on the ground you absolutely have to give him the benefit of the doubt but by jumping straight up, he has taken away any chance of moving himself forward to even compete for the ball.

This account is 100% accurate.