Overtime blocked FG

[phansen]

Concerning Overtime, is it a dead ball if the FG attempt by A is blocked by B?

Behind the LOS?

Beyond the LOS?

[Theisey]

Unfortunately, your answer will be state dependent. I can't give you a specific answer.

Here in NY, we use the states version of OT. Any time Team-B gains possession of the ball, team-A's series if over and team-B starts their series.

So in the case of a blocked FG, until team-B gets possession, it's still live for team-A while it's behind the NZ. If it goes beyond, then normal scrimmage kick rules apply for team-A. Regardless once team-B gets control, the down is over.

[JRutledge]

In the back of the rulebook, the rules say the series is over if the defense gains possession of the ball. I would not say the ball is dead immediately, but if B gains possession I would think that would cause the ball to become dead. Without any specific information that I can find, I would say that the ball is not dead and if A gets the ball they can return the ball for points. Now this is of course if your state uses the NF procedure and does not modify those rules, which is what I have heard some states do.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Behind the LOS? No. K can pick the ball up and advance it.

Beyond the LOS? Basically, it would be as K can't advance the ball under any circumstances and it's dead if R picks it up. If R is stupid and muffs it, then we've got problems.

[Suudy]

But since first downs can be acheive in overtime, what is done with a muffed missed FG by B? I'm thinking Fed rules. As I understand it, we treat a missed FG like any scrimmage kick (please correct me if I am wrong).

A's ball, 4th and goal from B's 25. The attempted FG is partially blocks and is rolling at B's 5. B1 muffs the ball and A1 recovers at B's 5.

Do we go 1st and goal for A from B's 5?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Suudy

But since first downs can be acheive in overtime, what is done with a muffed missed FG by B? I'm thinking Fed rules. As I understand it, we treat a missed FG like any scrimmage kick (please correct me if I am wrong).

A's ball, 4th and goal from B's 25. The attempted FG is partially blocks and is rolling at B's 5. B1 muffs the ball and A1 recovers at B's 5.

Do we go 1st and goal or A from B's 5?

That would be hard in my state as we start 1/G from the 10.

[Middleman]

Offensive Pass Interference on 3rd and ten would result in 4th and goal from the 25. Not too difficult to imagine.

[edited for Duh! referenced below]

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Middleman

Offensive Pass Interference on 3rd and ten would result in 4th and ten from the 25. Not too difficult to imagine.

REPLY: But wouldn't it be 4th and goal?

[Middleman]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: But wouldn't it be 4th and goal?

Duh! Duh! Double Duh!! Of course it would be. My bad.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Middleman

Duh! Duh! Double Duh!! Of course it would be. My bad.

REPLY: We all have these "senior moments." Now...what was it we were talking about?

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: We all have these "senior moments." Now...what was it we were talking about?

A recovers a muffed missed FG.

A's ball, 4th and goal from B's 25. The attempted FG is partially blocked and is rolling at B's 5. B1 muffs the ball and A1 recovers at B's 5.

Do we go 1st and goal for A from B's 5?

I know the touching at the line (partial block) is ignored. But what about the muff at B's 5. Can A recover after the muff and get a new series in the same OT period?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

That would be hard in my state as we start 1/G from the 10.

But not impossible. A is sacked badly twice, it's 3rd and goal from the 31, when B gets called for DPI. 1st and 10 from the 16. So what's the answer, then, in your area to the muffed blocked FG at the 5 yard line?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Suudy

A recovers a muffed missed FG.

A's ball, 4th and goal from B's 25. The attempted FG is partially blocked and is rolling at B's 5. B1 muffs the ball and A1 recovers at B's 5.

Do we go 1st and goal for A from B's 5?

I know the touching at the line (partial block) is ignored. But what about the muff at B's 5. Can A recover after the muff and get a new series in the same OT period?

No - they still didn't make the line to gain... but see above.

[Middleman]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No - they still didn't make the line to gain... but see above.

Yes, it's first and goal from the 5. See Page 84, 5-2-1b, 5-3-1. Also, if the distance to the goal line is greater than 10 yards it is still 1st and goal. See Page 86, 3.1.1 Sit Q.

[Suudy]

I'm thinking NFHS. I don't pretend to know the NCAA ruling.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No - they still didn't make the line to gain... but see above.

Does that matter? Let's talk a punt. A's ball, 4th and 30 from A's 20. Punt is partially blocked and is rolling at A's 40. B1 muffs the punt and A1 falls on the ball on A's 40. Ruling?

1st and 10 for A from A's 40, regardless of reaching the line to gain.

Aren't missed FG treated like any other scrimmage kick? Cross the GL and touchback, short of the GL, just like any other scrimmage kick.