Clarification a blocked "Try"

[Ref Daddy]

NFHS rules please

Player goes up for a shot (try). Attempt blocked BACK to the shooting player. Assuming no fouls:

1) If the ball never leaves shooters hand(s) - Jump Ball

2) Leaves hands towards goal and returned directly to player while still in the air, player returns to ground in control - Traveling.

3) Player shoots, ball blocked and after shoooter returns to ground catch's block - Play on.

Correct?

[PAULK1]

1. Jump ball if you feel the block prevented the release

2.,3 If the shot is released and then blocked it doesn't matter if the shooter caught the ball before or after they landed. Play on

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

NFHS rules please

Player goes up for a shot (try). Attempt blocked BACK to the shooting player. Assuming no fouls:

1) If the ball never leaves shooters hand(s) - Jump Ball

2) Leaves hands towards goal and returned directly to player while still in the air, player returns to ground in control - Traveling.

3) Player shoots, ball blocked and after shoooter returns to ground catch's block - Play on.

Correct?

#2 is wrong. The shooter can catch the ball and legally come down with it, and then go up and shoot again, pass, dribble,etc..

[BigJoe]

The player may not start a dribble while still airborn after catching the blocked shot. This would be traveling.
Casebook 4-43.3

[RecRef]

Originally posted by BigJoe
The player may not start a dribble while still airborn after catching the blocked shot. This would be traveling.
Casebook 4-43.3

???? Where do get this from? In my book 4-43.3 says no such thing. Am I missing something here?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BigJoe
The player may not start a dribble while still airborn after catching the blocked shot. This would be traveling.
Casebook 4-43.3

Wrong. If the ball never leaves the shooter's hands and the ball is blocked, you have a jump ball- casebook play 4.25.2. If the ball leaves the shooter's hands, and the defender then blocks the ball back into the shooter's hands, the shooter can now legally do anything with the ball, including coming back down with it and starting a dribble. It is not travelling. Player and team control ended when the shot left the shooter's hands- rule 4-12-6.

Btw, what case play are you referring to? 4.43.3 A,B or C? If it's A, which one of the 4 situations are referencing? I can't see any in there that are applicable to this play.

[One-Whistle]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
... Player and team control ended when the shot left the shooter's hands- rule 4-12-6. ...

This says it all in reference to #2. The try means player and team control have ended.

The official's "no" call shouldn't be any different than if an airborne player attempted a pass and the defender blocked it back to the player prior to his return to the floor.

[BigJoe]

It is clear in the casebook saying that you can't put the ball on the floor and be the first to touch the ball as that would constitute starting a dribble with both (pivot) feet off the floor.
Case book top of page 33
I'm assuming that the ball was blocked and didn't leave the shooters hands. It also wasn't called a held ball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BigJoe
The player may not start a dribble while still airborn after catching the blocked shot. This would be traveling.
Casebook 4-43.3

Big Joe, there's your statement again. If a player catches a blocked shot, the ball must have left the shooter's hands and then been blocked back into them.If the player comes down with the ball now, it isn't travelling. If the ball didn't leave the shooter's hands, you have a held ball if the shooter comes down with it. You said it was travelling instead. In both scenarios, you were wrong.

Btw, none of the caseplays in 4.43.3 apply to this play. If you're referring to 4.433c or d, those aren't applicable because the ball was just touched, not blocked, in them.