2 snap questions (NF)

[Sonofanump]

"We had a DOG penalty"

MJT-Did you start the clock at the RFP or at the snap?

I believe that you start the clock on the RFP.

[MJT]

The clock always starts on the snap if a delay of game penalty is accepted.

[Warrenkicker]

True, 3-4-3i says: The clock shall start with the snap or when any free-kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the clock was stopped because: The penalty for a delay of game foul is accepted.

However 3-6-3 also says: When a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the referee shall order the clock started or stopped.

So I would agree with Sonofanump that this is a situation where the rules allow for 3-4-3i to be overruled by 3-6-3 and the clock to start on the RFP. Granted there are worse examples of a DOG but I would really think about winding on the RFP in this situation.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

True, 3-4-3i says: The clock shall start with the snap or when any free-kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the clock was stopped because: The penalty for a delay of game foul is accepted.

However 3-6-3 also says: When a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the referee shall order the clock started or stopped.

So I would agree with Sonofanump that this is a situation where the rules allow for 3-4-3i to be overruled by 3-6-3 and the clock to start on the RFP. Granted there are worse examples of a DOG but I would really think about winding on the RFP in this situation.

Why would I start the clock on the RFP when they are trying to conserve time to win the game and got it snapped by doing so illegally? They got the clock stopped illegally to help them out and you think I should override 3-4-3i and help them out. It would make more sense in the middle of the 1st qtr to do that on a second down play, and we dont do it then.

[Warrenkicker]

Are we talking about the same thing here?

A is trailing, has the ball and the clock is running out. A needs the clock stopped so they are going to spike the ball. A spikes the ball so as to stop the clock. However they do it illegally and are penalized with a delay of game.

Have I mistakenly described your situation?

Thus the clock was stopped by an illegal act and thus A has conserved time illegally just like I read 3-6-3. If this is all true then the referee has the obligation to start the clock on the RFP.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

Are we talking about the same thing here?

A is trailing, has the ball and the clock is running out. A needs the clock stopped so they are going to spike the ball. A spikes the ball so as to stop the clock. However they do it illegally and are penalized with a delay of game.

Have I mistakenly described your situation?

Thus the clock was stopped by an illegal act and thus A has conserved time illegally just like I read 3-6-3. If this is all true then the referee has the obligation to start the clock on the RFP.

I must really be braindead today. I meant the whole time that it would be an advantage to team A to start the clock on the snap, so yes, I started it on the RFP. We are now on vacation, and when I was going thru this I didn't have my mind on right. Thank goodness our motel has internet in the lobby. My laptop is getting repaired and I would have looked like an idiot for 4 more days.

[whitehat52]

3-6-3 isn't what it used to be. We are all going to have to now remember 3-4-6. The 2006 version of the rules list 3-6-3 as giving the R the authority to forfeit the game if a team refuses to play. 3-4-6 just doesn't flow off the tongue as easy as 3-6-3 did. After 25 years I guess I'll have to adapt.