Mandatory Safety?

Originally Posted by Jim D

I only disagree in your choice of words. The coach is not "accepting" a saftey - the results of the play is a saftey and that's that. No options for B.

yes either way it's a safety....you're right no accepting about it...LOL

[kentref]

Safety. No other possibilities.

[VaHoops]

Jim-

Not to be too technical about it--since the outcome is inevitably a safety--but the result of the play is an incomplete pass. The presence of a penalty flag on the field doesn't change that. Once you get into exploring the penalty, then the safety becomes the unavoidable result, as we learn from NFHS 7-5-3.

A minor difference, but imprtant in the sense that if the "result of the play" were a safety, then the appropriate covering officials would be required to give the signal for a safety at the conclusion of the play. With the potential for other things to be going on during a play like this, that could cause problems for a crew.

But you're right that the coach doesn't have any options here!

Originally Posted by VaHoops

Jim-

Not to be too technical about it--since the outcome is inevitably a safety--but the result of the play is an incomplete pass. The presence of a penalty flag on the field doesn't change that. Once you get into exploring the penalty, then the safety becomes the unavoidable result, as we learn from NFHS 7-5-3.

A minor difference, but imprtant in the sense that if the "result of the play" were a safety, then the appropriate covering officials would be required to give the signal for a safety at the conclusion of the play. With the potential for other things to be going on during a play like this, that could cause problems for a crew.

But you're right that the coach doesn't have any options here!

By stating it that way you are being very technical about it (technically right). But the incompelete pass has no bearing once you flag this play. They can't decline the penalty and get a first down on the A 2 yd line...

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by VaHoops

Jim-

Not to be too technical about it--since the outcome is inevitably a safety--but the result of the play is an incomplete pass. The presence of a penalty flag on the field doesn't change that. Once you get into exploring the penalty, then the safety becomes the unavoidable result, as we learn from NFHS 7-5-3.

A minor difference, but imprtant in the sense that if the "result of the play" were a safety, then the appropriate covering officials would be required to give the signal for a safety at the conclusion of the play. With the potential for other things to be going on during a play like this, that could cause problems for a crew.

But you're right that the coach doesn't have any options here!

You're correct, and the R will signal a safety when he signals the penalty.

Getting back to the fact that this play will result in a safety whether the penalty is accepted or not the only difference I can see would be in the game stats.

[Hoosier_Dave]

Keep in mind too, that when a team declines a penalty they are only declining the distance/LOD enforcement. The play occurred, so the results of the play stand. Safety.

Stupid question, how could a kicker throw an illegal pass in the end zone? The only thing that comes to mind is a double pass

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Hoosier Dave...you're right that a kicker cannot throw a pass, since in order to be a kicker, he needs to put his foot to the ball. However, a punter (not a defined term) can throw a pass if I presume that by "punter" I mean an offensive player in position to execute a scrimmage kick. The original post used the term "punter." I'm guessing that's what ljudge was presuming as well.