Momentum play.

[grantsrc]

If B declines the penalty for illegal batting, it would be B 1/10 at the 20. If accepted, it would be B 1/10 at 35*.

*The yardage for illegal batting is 15 yards right? Don't have the books with me.

[JasonTX]

NCAA:

1. Accept the foul for illegal batting 15 yards from the goalline due to a change of team possesion in the field of play and the ball becoming dead behind the goalline. Momentum would normally apply but it is my understanding that the new impetus from the batting takes precedence.

2. Decline the foul and take the result of the play as toucback.

Option 2 is the most logical choice. Option 1 would be a likely choice in the event that time expires during the down and would result in an untimed down for Team B. In both cases it appears with the new NCAA timing rules that the clock will start on the ready for play.

[DrMooreReferee]

Let me clarify what I was getting at with this question.

If you consider the momentum exception as it is written in 8.5.2a, then there is nothing in this play to make the momentum exception go away. If that were the case, I might think that we should give the ball to B and penalize A for the illegal bat. And I suppose that we should penalize from the 3 and have 1/10 for B from their 18.

However, thats really not what I'm saying at all. I think that the intent of this rule would be compromised if we did that. I really do think that 1/10 for B from the 35 is the right thing to do.

Now that I've said this. Does anyone have anything to add?

[dumbref]

NF:

I agree with Jason TX on this one. Once B's fumble broke the plan of the GL, MO is over. His fumble put the ball back into the field of play. The basic spot becomes the GL for any foul (A or B) that occurrs during the loose ball. The result of the play is a touchback. Take you chose - 15 or 20.

[Jim D]

NF rules - Rule 8-5-2 covers the momentum play where B intercepts and either the ball becomes dead in the end zone or "it goes out of bounds in the end zone". What happens in this play? The ball is intercepted and goes out of bounds in the end zone. Sure some other stuff happened but the basic play is text book momentum rule. I would give the ball to B at the 3 and penalize A for the illegal batting from there so it would be 1 & 10 for B at B's 18.

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by Jim D

NF rules - Rule 8-5-2 covers the momentum play where B intercepts and either the ball becomes dead in the end zone or "it goes out of bounds in the end zone". What happens in this play? The ball is intercepted and goes out of bounds in the end zone. Sure some other stuff happened but the basic play is text book momentum rule. I would give the ball to B at the 3 and penalize A for the illegal batting from there so it would be 1 & 10 for B at B's 18.

I think you're correct. It becomes a matter of force. The force that caused the ball to go out of the EZ was really B's fumble and the ball is still in B's team possession. Therefore MO still applies.

I guess the only way to rule otherwise, a new force by A would have to be applied and that was not stated in this situation. My bad!

I think we all agree in game, B will start on the 20.

[Jim D]

"I think we all agree in game, B will start on the 20."

I think/hope you mean B will start on the 18. The momentum exception puts them on the 3 and then we had a 15 penalty for the illegal batting so it's 1 & 10 for B at their own 18.