R/U not allowed on field?

[whaddayouknow]

Take three large steps back, blow your whistle loudly and send the flag as high as you can. Right were you are, give S3 (time out) and S27 (USC). If home team wins the flip, ask if they would like to kick from the 25 or recived at the 35.

[JasonTX]

Originally posted by whaddayouknow
Take three large steps back, blow your whistle loudly and send the flag as high as you can. Right were you are, give S3 (time out) and S27 (USC). If home team wins the flip, ask if they would like to kick from the 25 or recived at the 35.

That would be classic. I can just imagine the look on that officer's face when you do that. Not that I'd actually penalize the team, but just seeing the look on his face would be priceless.

[irefky]

I can understand this so-called black list in high school, our by-laws allow this. I ran into a situation only last week when coaches in a 7th and 8th grade league were allowed to black ball officials. Now there was two regions involved and only two officials were scratched.

These just happen to be my crew folks from the past few years. I did not understand why. We are talking about grade school, geeze!

A High School HC calls me up to help him with a game and I tell him I have one for tonight and he asked if I could find him someone, I give him my buddies names. I had no idea that he needed them for the same tournament in which they were black balled. My crew mate drove 45+ miles one way to call a game for 40.00. Not for the money, for the love of the game. This HC was classy, he paid my crew mate and gave him kind words, but the hurt and humiliation was evident in our conversation.

After my game, I noticed my crew mate who went to this game was already back. He said once he arrived, they told him he could not do the game. The HC who called me could not believe it. He stated that the two officials that were black balled were good officials even in a loss, well respective. I was hurt over this, this guy was my mentor, a friend, who was hurt.

I then reported to the local grade schools AD's that I would no longer be doing this tournament due to this issue. I have yet to do their games, they are working games with officials with a combined 7 years exp instead of 75 years!

I take black ball like this, they are just missing one damn good official who works his tail off, sorry for your loss.

I will send an update on this and hope you guys can send a word of encouragement to my crew mate and the HC.

[BulldogMcC]

Disclaimer: I play a police officer in real life but no where near where this took place and know none of the players.

I think the most likely candidate for what happened is the officer is relatively new and/or niave and some of his fellow officers, when he asked them what his responsibilities were as field security, jokingly responded, "Oh, you keep everyone off the field, including the refs, until the coach can verify they are not on his strike out list."

Personally, I think the crew that was initially confronted with this handled it beautifly. The officer has the legal authority to prevent you from entering any part of the school he has instructions from school staff to exclude contract workers from. That does not mean the ramifications from his actions acing on behalf of the school security do not happen. Even as a fellow LEO, I would have merely taken the officer at his word and turned around and started walking back to the locker room after hopefully having come up with something as brilliant as the crew in the original post.

If this instruction was actually from the coach, I can most assuredly confirm that school would be on my 'no' list (strike out list). Around here, coaches can 'no' up to 10% of our board's officials, and we can 'no' up to 10% of the schools. Even after going round and round on Monday after a game once with a head coach and Althetic Director over the ejection of a star player, I was not 'no'ed at the school and any school that 'no'ed me would likely be a blessing

So either:
A) The cop has a Napoleon complex because of the badge and came up with this hair brain scheme on his own, shame on him and whowever was paying him that night should be informed of the conduct.
B) The cop was working for the school as either a contract or jurisdictional employee and was following lawful instructions from a supervisor to control entry and access to the field. Shame on the school and the school board should be notified of the bone head move.
C) The cop was duped by prankster co-workers into believing this is what he should do. Everyone involved should take a deep breath and accept a sincere "I'm sorry" from the chap as I doubt any adult with real life experience has not been embarassed by pranksters misleading them.

My money, if I was a betting man, would be on 'C'.

[Edit for Irefky:
Tell them what we tell the officials here when they get black balled. "Look at their record, did you really want to do their games anyway?" Because the only schools around here that actually exercise their 'no' option are schools that if I had a choice, I would rather not be assigned to anyway. I just won't intentionally do something to get 'no'ed by them I know that is light hearted and of little help to someone that is truly affected by such an insult, but there is no moral or thought police, thank God, so if a coach exercises his option, while I think it is short sighted, there is nothing the official can do about it. In the end, the school suffers the most because they either get weak officials or officials that are easily imtimidated and both of those cut both ways in a game.]

[Edited by BulldogMcC on Oct 27th, 2005 at 12:08 AM]

[OverAndBack]

I'd like to think I would have said, "Well, I'll tell you what - we're the only guys here who are wearing stripes and are licensed by our state to officiate this game. If you've got a mouse in your pocket with some gear from Honig's, feel free to send him out there with four of his buddies. But you're either letting us go on the field right now, or we're going back to the locker room and then going home and you're unlikely to have a game tonight unless you're going to go on the honor system all evening. The choice is yours."

And I wouldn't have hesitated to pull my guys out, at least temporarily until there was quite a bit of butt-kissing on somebody's part. I wouldn't want to deprive the kids of a chance to play, but I'd sure as hell get my pound of flesh from the jerkoff coach, and then I'd never accept an assignment at that school again in this life or the next.

That just don't fly.

[BulldogMcC]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I'd like to think I would have said, "Well, I'll tell you what - we're the only guys here who are wearing stripes and are licensed by our state to officiate this game. If you've got a mouse in your pocket with some gear from Honig's, feel free to send him out there with four of his buddies. But you're either letting us go on the field right now, or we're going back to the locker room and then going home and you're unlikely to have a game tonight unless you're going to go on the honor system all evening. The choice is yours."

And I wouldn't have hesitated to pull my guys out, at least temporarily until there was quite a bit of butt-kissing on somebody's part. I wouldn't want to deprive the kids of a chance to play, but I'd sure as hell get my pound of flesh from the jerkoff coach, and then I'd never accept an assignment at that school again in this life or the next.

That just don't fly.

Sure, eight minutes as a referee and you're ready to pull the plug on a game. I think power has gone to your head

[OverAndBack]

Originally posted by BulldogMcC
Sure, eight minutes as a referee and you're ready to pull the plug on a game. I think power has gone to your head

I know!

Like Brian Billick said, "I'm going home tonight with somebody's a** in my briefcase. I just need to know the name of that person."

[Forksref]

I think the local association should discuss the incident and one of their options is to boycott doing games for that school. This happened many years ago in Toledo for basketball because and official was attacked at a game by fans and the association didn't think the school was providing a safe environment.

I think the coach needs to meet with the association here and explain himself.

[Jim S]

Originally posted by whaddayouknow
Take three large steps back, blow your whistle loudly and send the flag as high as you can. Right were you are, give S3 (time out) and S27 (USC). If home team wins the flip, ask if they would like to kick from the 25 or recived at the 35.

Wouldn't this be a dead ball foul using S7 and S27?

[chimpgym]

The ref should simply have walked across the street, bought a bag of Krispy Kremes, and lured the cop away from the gate with them. What the cop didn't eat, the umpire could have.

[Gman34]

Just about 3 weeks ago here in SE KY, an asst coach from a mountain school ran out on the field, in somewhat of a tight game, and made a bush comment to an official. The official flagged him for UC. The coach then blew his lid and went nuts on that official. Told him he didn't know who he was messing with. White had came in from behind and flagged him again and said have a nice evening. Coach pulls out his State Trooper badge and says he just messed with the wrong guy. White hat, a sheriff's deputy let him know who he was and how out of line he was. There were several words as the Trooper made a racial comment to the white deputy and the deputy made a comment back to him. Then the Trooper apparently did an "All Call" on his radio and the cars came flying. Officials had to stop the game in the 4th. I think the Trooper is now on adm leave.

I had a similar situation where I had a D.C. come out on me and I tossed him. He wouldn't leave the field so I asked the HC for the local LE. He said that the guy I just dumped was one of two at the game. The other was that guys twin brother who was the O.C. Coach managed to get him off the field before I pulled the trigger. A uniformed officer was then spotted behind the bench with the ejected coach. I went over to inform the deputy that he coach had to leave the stadium. He looked at me and smilled. As I told him that either he was leaving or we all were, the school Prin. came down to see what was going on. I asked her to get a Trooper to the field asap to help remove the coach/deputy and officer or we are shutting 'er down. They finally got the message.

How are the kids supposed to respect the game and officials when the parents, coaches, and some LE don't?

[TXMike]

Is the story below related to the same KY incident? If not, sounds like you have some real problem children coaching there.


From the FloydCountyTimes.com

Police probing SFMS football brawl

by TOM DOTY
and MARY MUSIC
Staff Writers

HI HAT - A fight that erupted during a middle school football game Saturday prompted allegations against a Kentucky State Police trooper who was coaching a Breathitt County team.

Prestonsburg resident Angela Hall is pursuing charges against Kentucky State Police Trooper Mike Wolfe, who serves as a coach for the Sebastian Middle School football team.

Hall, wife of Prestonsburg attorney Tim Parker, says her son attended the Sandy Valley Conference game at South Floyd Middle School because his father, Chad Hall, was coaching the South Floyd team.

Authorities say that a fight broke out between the players on the field and grew to an uncontrollable level as bystanders rushed into the melee. One report indicated that the Breathitt County bus was blocked at the school and that they called 911 for help, but officials could not confirm that allegation.

KSP Trooper B.J. Caudill said he was called in to escort the Sebastian Middle School bus to Route 80.

Hall alleges that her son, a 15-year-old basketball player at Prestonsburg High School, was treated and released for head injuries at McDowell Appalachian Regional Medical Center because Trooper Wolfe knocked him unconscious during the fight.




“A fight breaks out between the players and the Breathitt County coach (Trooper Wolfe) picks my son up and throws him up against the fence and knocks him unconscious. He hits him on the side of the head with his fist,” she said. “My son was taken to the ER by ambulance and was treated and released for head injuries.”

McDowell resident Trampus Evans, whose son is a halfback for South Floyd, said he saw a South Floyd player and a Sebastian Middle School player shoving each other on the sideline during the fourth quarter of the game. Hall's son reportedly ran over to step between the two boys, who were, by that time, surrounded by onlookers. Evans said he witnessed Trooper Wolfe run across the filed and hit Hall's son.

“The state trooper hit him a couple or three times and slung him into the fence,” Evans said. “After that, it all went to pieces. A bunch of people ganged up around it. I was just in a hurry to get my son out of that situation. People came from everywhere. After he [Trooper Wolfe] hit that little feller, he made a point to tell everyone that he was a state trooper. Me, myself, I think the trooper should have handled it better ... The state trooper took it personally. He wanted to whup somebody.”

Evans said he was uninjured and that his son walked away with a couple of bruises on his arm.

Parker, who did not attend the game Saturday, said Wolfe should be disciplined for mistreating his stepson.

“If you've ever been to a football game, you know that when a coach comes across the field, everybody watches him,” Parker said. “It'd be better for him [Wolfe] if he'd just come clean about it. I'm sure he's worried about losing his job, but it ain't no better if he tries to lie his way out of it ... I think this is a real serious thing. If he did this to [my stepson], what's he's doing to drunk drivers? Where's his anger control training and his impulse control training? As far as the family is concerned, this man needs to be disciplined and by that, I mean incarcerated.”

KSP Lt. George Gyurik, Wolfe's supervisor in Morehead, said that his investigation indicates that football coaches stepped in to separate the players and the bystanders after the fight broke out.

Gyurik said there is no reason to bring disciplinary action against Wolfe during the investigation.

Wolfe was one of the coaches who “grabbed the players and pushed or threw them off the side” to break up the fight, Gyurik said.

At one point, Gyurik said that Wolfe, like many others, slipped and fell onto the wet ground. Gyurik said adults began attacking Wolfe after he fell.

“He's got a few cuts and bruises and a sore jaw,” Gyurik said. “We're doing an investigation to make sure everything is legitimate. We want to make sure all the truth comes out on both sides.”

KSP Lt. Bobby Johnson, who heads the investigation with the Pikeville police post, would not publicly comment about the investigation. Johnson said he could not confirm or deny whether charges would be brought against anyone.

County Attorney Keith Bartley said that a “gaggle” of people are investigating the incident. With the number of witnesses and the number of investigating agencies involved - including school boards in both districts, KSP, Floyd County Sheriff's Department and the County Attorney's office - it may take more than a week to find out what really happened.

Floyd County Supt. Dr. Paul Fanning said the incident was unfortunate, but not unusual. He said he's seen parents “go beyond the bounds” at cheerleading elections, academic meets and other extracurricular activities.

Fanning said the players obviously “got emotional” about some type of dispute, and then adults in the stands got involved.

“These things happen,” he said. “If emotions quickly erupt, the kids involved are usually pretty manageable. When adults get involved, it goes to another level.”

Fanning said he is working with principals, superintendents and athletic directors in both school districts to resolve the situation.

“We'll try to deal with it as quickly as possible without creating a bad relationship between both schools,” he said. “I mean, we're talking about middle school students here.”

Gyurik said Wolfe, who has worked at the Morehead post for at least five years, is an excellent employee.

“He is a good trooper who makes good, sound decisions,” Gyurik said. “He never used excess force, no more than any other trooper. His time here has been exemplary.”

Both schools were disqualified from the tournament. The Sebastian Middle School team was leading South Floyd by 28. This season has been one of South Floyd Middle School's best football seasons.

Mike Holcomb, the athletics director for Breathitt County Schools, did not return inquiry calls. His silence was mirrored by Supt. Arch Turner, who also did not return calls.

[Rich]

“He never used excess force, no more than any other trooper."

Great line. Wonder if he'd use that one in court.

When I lived in Tennessee, I had to go up into the mountains and work a varsity boys basketball game.

After a few unpopular calls, some idiot in the corner starts threatening me every time down the floor. Finally, I stop the game and tell game management to get the idiot out of there.

Turns out he was a deputy sheriff and brother of the sheriff, or something like that.

The guy left, but they BOTH came back afterwards in a private car with the sheriff now in civilian clothes. They tailgated me all the way across the county line -- I wasn't stopping until I got to a police station back home.

You know you're dealing with a special brand of idiot when the guy pulls his badge on the field , like it gives him some kind of extra authority during the game. If he pulled his badge on me, we'd be marching off 30 and he'd be walking away.

[OverAndBack]

Originally posted by Gman34
I had a similar situation where I had a D.C. come out on me and I tossed him. He wouldn't leave the field so I asked the HC for the local LE.

"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P."

[Gman34]

Originally posted by TXMike
Is the story below related to the same KY incident? If not, sounds like you have some real problem children coaching there.

No relation. Although there's probably several to choose from. It must be something about state workers here in KY. The two games I referred to were varsity games.