Uncle E's Quiz

[sm_bbcoach]

All right all right, it’s coming, it‘s coming . My alarm didn't go off for some reason and I over-slept and my dog eat it while I was changing my flat tire and I have to start over. : D

Actually what happened was I almost had it done yesterday when the electricity went off. I lost everything I had up on my computer. I useally wait until after I’ve sent the answers to Uncle Ernie before posting it here but I’ll let you guys have a crack at it first this time. And don't forget the CLOCK!



1. A 1/G B5. Quarterback A12 throws a pass into the endzone. While in the endzone near the end line, B56 jumps and catches the ball while in the air. A88 grabs B56 and prevents him from coming down inbounds. A88 and B56 both first land out of bounds and A88 retains possession.

2. A 4/6 A40. At the snap, B79 grabs A56 at the line of scrimmage and pulls him to the A42. This allows B74 to shoot the gap in an attempt to block the punt. The punt rolls to the B15 where B88 picks up the ball and runs to the B45, fumbles and A14 recovers.

3. A 2/G B3. A14 is downed on the B2 and then B67 piles on. A14 retaliates by slugging B67. The fouls have been reported and the ball is being taken to the B2 when A78 commits an unsportsmanlike foul.

4. A K/O A35. A4's airborne free kick is controlled by B76 while straddling the sideline on the A43. The ball is actually over the field of play on the A42 when B76 first touches the ball. A88 hits B23 late.

5. A 4/22 A3. A punts. B89 gives a valid fair catch signal, muffs the ball on the A39 but catches the ball on the A38. B89 is immediately tackled by A87. During the kick, B44 incidentally grasped A84's face mask face on the A32.

6. A 3/9 B22. The score is A24-B28. Tailback A34 runs off tackle for a touchdown. During the down, A77 blocks defensive end B96 on the B22 and slot back A42 simultaneously blocks the defender at the knees. A flag is thrown. Time expires in the fourth quarter during the down. The Team A coach requests and is granted a head coach's conference.

7. A 2/8 A45. A66 incidentally grasps the facemask of the rushing B77. A15's legal forward pass is intercepted by B44 and returned for a touchdown

[Mike Simonds]

NF rules:
1. B56 gets credited with an interception. Result of the play is a touchback. B's ball 1st and 10 at B's 20 yard line. Clock on snap.
2. Decline B's foul. A's ball 1st and 10 at the B 45 yard line. Clock on snap.
3. All dead ball fouls to be enforced in the order of occurence: B67's foul takes the ball to the B 1 yard line. A14's foul takes the ball to the B 16 yard line (Eject A14 for fighting). A78's foul takes the ball to B 31 yard line. A's ball 3rd and goal. Clock on ready.
4. B76 causes the ball to be out of bounds. B's ball at the A 43 yard line. Penalize A88 15 yards (dead ball foul). B's ball 1st and at the A 28 yard line. Clock on snap.
5. PSK applies if B declines the fould by A87. Enforce B44's foul 5 yards from the end of the kick. B's ball 1st and 10 from the A 43 yard line. Clock on snap.
6. Replay with an untimed down after enforcement of A42's foul: 3rd and 24 at B's 37 yard line. No clock.
7. B should decline A's foul. Touchdown. Untimed down for try.

[Mike Simonds]

2. If A accepts the penalty, enforce it 10 yards from previous spot. A's ball 1st and 10 at the 50 yard line.

[James Neil]

OK let the debate begin. Mike, I see we have a difference of opinion on two of the rulings. Let’s see what others have to say
February Quiz
1. A 1/G B5. Quarterback A12 throws a pass into the end zone. While in the end zone near the end line, B56 jumps and catches the ball while in the air. A88 grabs B56 and prevents him from coming down inbounds. A88 and B56 both first lands out of bounds and A88 retains possession.

A 2/G @ B-5 clock on the snap
Uncle Ernie tried to fool me with all kinds of stuff here but all we have is an incomplete pass
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2. A 4/6 A40. At the snap, B79 grabs A56 at the line of scrimmage and pulls him to the A42. This allows B74 to shoot the gap in an attempt to block the punt. The punt rolls to the B15 where B88 picks up the ball and runs to the B45, fumbles and A14 recovers.

Accept; A 1/10 @ 50 clock on the snap
Decline; A 1/10 @ B-45 (assuming it was down there) clock on snap
No PSK foul by A not beyond the NZ expanded
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3. A 2/G B3. A14 is downed on the B2 and then B67 piles on. A14 retaliates by slugging B67. The fouls have been reported and the ball is being taken to the B2 when A78 commits an unsportsmanlike foul.

A 3/G @ B-31 clock on the ready
The three dead ball fouls are enforced in their order of occurrence. B67’s Personal Foul puts the ball @ B-1. Then back to the B-16 and eject A14 for fighting. Then back to the B-31 and record A78’s # in case he gets another unsporty
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4. A K/O A35. A4's airborne free kick is controlled by B76 while straddling the sideline on the A43. The ball is actually over the field of play on the A42 when B76 first touches the ball. A88 hits B23 late.

B 1/10 @ A-28 clock on the snap
No fouls for kick OOB. Dead when controlled by B76. Tell the kids you’ve seen enough late hits!
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5. A 4/22 A3. A punts. B89 gives a valid fair catch signal, muffs the ball on the A39 but catches the ball on the A38. B89 is immediately tackled by A87. During the kick, B44 incidentally grasped A84's facemask face on the A32.

B 1/10 @ A-28 clock on the snap
This play gave me fits. At first I didn’t want to flag the tackle by A87 but if going by the letter of the law this is a dead ball personal foul for a late hit. This is enforced from the A-43 after B’s PSK foul
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6. A 3/9 B22. The score is A24-B28. Tailback A34 runs off tackle for a touchdown. During the down, A77 blocks defensive end B96 on the B22 and slot back A42 simultaneously blocks the defender at the knees. A flag is thrown. Time expires in the fourth quarter during the down. The Team A coach requests and is granted a head coach's conference.

A 3/24 @ B-37 untimed down
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7. A 2/8 A45. A66 incidentally grasps the facemask of the rushing B77. A15's legal forward pass is intercepted by B44 and returned for a touchdown.

Accept: we won't let them
Decline: B TD clock on first legal touching

[Edited by James Neil on Feb 19th, 2004 at 10:50 AM]

[sm_bbcoach]

[QUOTE] February Quiz [quote]

1. A 1/G B5. Quarterback A12 throws a pass into the end zone. While in the end zone near the end line, B56 jumps and catches the ball while in the air. A88 grabs B56 and prevents him from coming down inbounds. A88 and B56 both first lands out of bounds and A88 retains possession.

A 2/G @ B5 clock on the snap incomplete pass as both need to posses ball inbounds.
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2. A 4/6 A40. At the snap, B79 grabs A56 at the line of scrimmage and pulls him to the A42. This allows B74 to shoot the gap in an attempt to block the punt. The punt rolls to the B15 where B88 picks up the ball and runs to the B45, fumbles and A14 recovers.

Def Holding B79. NOT PSK, in ENZ

Accept: A 1/10 @ 50 clock on the snap
Decline: A 1/10 @ B45 clock on snap

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3. A 2/G B3. A14 is downed on the B2 and then B67 piles on. A14 retaliates by slugging B67. The fouls have been reported and the ball is being taken to the B2 when A78 commits an unsportsmanlike foul.

A 3/G @ A31 clock on the ready. Mark off each in order:
B67 PF ball @ A1
A14 PF (eject) ball @ A16
A78 USC (record) ball @ A31
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4. A K/O A35. A4's airborne free kick is controlled by B76 while straddling the sideline on the A43. The ball is actually over the field of play on the A42 when B76 first touches the ball. A88 hits B23 late.

A88 PF (late hit)
B 1/10 @ A28 clock on the snap
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5. A 4/22 A3. A punts. B89 gives a valid fair catch signal, muffs the ball on the A39 but catches the ball on the A38. B89 is immediately tackled by A87. During the kick, B44 incidentally grasped A84's facemask face on the A32.

B44 Face Mask (5yd) PSK ball @A43

I struggle to give the PF on the muff UNLESS there is time for A87 to see it was caught. By the description, there was not, therefore no foul. I know the rule would have us flagging this, but this is just a good play by A87 getting coverage on a punt, and making sure the ball is secured. {I am sure I will differ wiht many on this interpetation} In my mind, the muff allowed for the chance of a fumble or loose ball. Now if there is a second or 2 for the ball to be cought, then the tackler should see this and not touch him. JMHO.


B 1/10 @ A43 clock on the snap

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6. A 3/9 B22. The score is A24-B28. Tailback A34 runs off tackle for a touchdown. During the down, A77 blocks defensive end B96 on the B22 and slot back A42 simultaneously blocks the defender at the knees. A flag is thrown. Time expires in the fourth quarter during the down. The Team A coach requests and is granted a head coach's conference.

A42 block below knees (not in "box" at the snap)

A 3/27 @ B37 Replay 1 untimed down. No clock
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7. A 2/8 A45. A66 incidentally grasps the facemask of the rushing B77. A15's legal forward pass is intercepted by B44 and returned for a touchdown.

A66 face mask (5 yd)

Accept: discourage.
Decline: B's TD.
Question: Can B have the penality assesed from the suceeding spot in this case? {do not have my book handy for a quick check}

[mikesears]

I moved my reply here. What's up with all these multiple postings

Originally posted by James Neil

All right all right, it’s coming, it‘s coming . My alarm didn't go off for some reason and I over-slept and my dog eat it while I was changing my flat tire and I have to start over. : D

Actually what happened was I almost had it done yesterday when the electricity went off. I lost everything I had up on my computer. I useally wait until after I’ve sent the answers to Uncle Ernie before posting it here but I’ll let you guys have a crack at it first this time. And don't forget the CLOCK!

Trying this without my rulebook (like I was on the field having to actually make the ruling). Thanks for posting these and keeping our minds on the game. I am posting using NF rules.


1. A 1/G B5. Quarterback A12 throws a pass into the endzone. While in the endzone near the end line, B56 jumps and catches the ball while in the air. A88 grabs B56 and prevents him from coming down inbounds. A88 and B56 both first land out of bounds and A88 retains possession.


I'm going to need to review my rulebook, but I believe the rules about being forced out apply equally to team A and B so this is a judgment call. If the covering official felt B56 would have come down inbounds, it is an interception and touchback. B's ball 1/10 @ B-20. If not, it is 2/G at B-5 for team A. Either case, clock starts on snap because B was awarded a new series OR the pass was incomplete.

2. A 4/6 A40. At the snap, B79 grabs A56 at the line of scrimmage and pulls him to the A42. This allows B74 to shoot the gap in an attempt to block the punt. The punt rolls to the B15 where B88 picks up the ball and runs to the B45, fumbles and A14 recovers.

B79 has committed defensive holding and it doesn't meet the criteria for PSK because it occured within the Expanded Neutral Zone. BJ should bag the end of the punt (B-15). Results of the play: A's ball at the spot of recovery. A has two options. 1) Take the results of the play (don't know what that is because we don't know where it was recovered). 2) Enforce the penalty from the previous spot (loose-ball play) and have 1/10 for A from the 50 yard-line.

3. A 2/G B3. A14 is downed on the B2 and then B67 piles on. A14 retaliates by slugging B67. The fouls have been reported and the ball is being taken to the B2 when A78 commits an unsportsmanlike foul.

None of these fouls occured during a live ball so the down will count. Penalize all fouls in the order in which they occured. Penalize B67's foul half the distance. 3/G at B-1 yard-line. Penalize A14's foul back to the B-16 yard-line (Personal Foul, not UC) and DQ A14 for fighting. Penalize A78's foul back to the B-31 yard line. If it is A78's 2nd UC foul, he too is disqualified--otherwise, we just administer the penalty (and record it). This makes the down and distance 3/G from the B-31 yard-line. If A14 was downed inbounds, start clock on RFP.


4. A K/O A35. A4's airborne free kick is controlled by B76 while straddling the sideline on the A43. The ball is actually over the field of play on the A42 when B76 first touches the ball. A88 hits B23 late.

B76 has caused the ball to go out of bounds so there is no foul. It will be B's ball 1/10 at the A-42. We then adminster the penalize A88's foul. B's ball 1/10 at the B-48 yard-line. Clock starts on the snap.

5. A 4/22 A3. A punts. B89 gives a valid fair catch signal, muffs the ball on the A39 but catches the ball on the A38. B89 is immediately tackled by A87. During the kick, B44 incidentally grasped A84's face mask face on the A32.

B89 is only protected until he touches the ball. When he muffed the kick, he was no longer protected by his signal. Sounds like A87 was simply trying to reach a ball he was legally able to possess. B44 has committed a PSK foul. B will keep the ball, but their penalty will be enforced from the end of the kick (A-38). It will be B's ball 1/10 at A-48. Clock starts on snap because B was awarded a new series following a legal kick.

6. A 3/9 B22. The score is A24-B28. Tailback A34 runs off tackle for a touchdown. During the down, A77 blocks defensive end B96 on the B22 and slot back A42 simultaneously blocks the defender at the knees. A flag is thrown. Time expires in the fourth quarter during the down. The Team A coach requests and is granted a head coach's conference.

Grant Team A's request for a conference. Found out from flagging official if blocks were simultaneous. Pick up the flag and wave it off because a simultaneous high/low block is legal (i.e NOT a chop block). Team A has just won the game and the try is not attempted (unless needed for playoff qualifying). Get off the field as a crew with your escort and then rip the flagging official a new one for not seeing the entire play or for not knowing simultaneous blocks are legal (once safely in the locker room).

7. A 2/8 A45. A66 incidentally grasps the facemask of the rushing B77. A15's legal forward pass is intercepted by B44 and returned for a touchdown.


B will decline the penalty and take the results of the play. Touchdown for B. If B took the penalty, it would be administered from the basic spot and A would keep the ball and the clock would start on the snap (because B scored a touchdown).


Alright, how'd I do without my rulebook?



[Edited by mikesears on Feb 11th, 2004 at 10:47 AM]

[mikesears]

Sometimes a video is worth a thousand words. In #1, I am having a difficult time picturing exactly what happened and I can easily see ruling this as incomplete because both players were out of bounds.

[Mike Simonds]

Is this a NF - NCAA rule difference?

NF: Touchback for B.

NCAA: Incomplete pass.

Its great to have Uncle Ernie and the boys back... Over here in Hawaii I love to study my rules with you guys by a warm toasty fire during those long and cold winter nights...

[Snake~eyes]

How is 1 not an incomplete pass?

It says that A grabs B and keeps B from landing inbounds but A comes up with the ball in the end. Sounds to me like A's own momentum carried him out.

[James Neil]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
[QUOTE] February Quiz

7. A 2/8 A45. A66 incidentally grasps the facemask of the rushing B77. A15's legal forward pass is intercepted by B44 and returned for a touchdown.

A66 face mask (5 yd)

Accept: discourage.
Decline: B's TD.
Question: Can B have the penality assesed from the suceeding spot in this case? {do not have my book handy for a quick check}

Good question. For B to have the foul assessed from the succeeding spot, A's foul would have had to occur after the change of possession.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by mikesears


6. A 3/9 B22. The score is A24-B28. Tailback A34 runs off tackle for a touchdown. During the down, A77 blocks defensive end B96 on the B22 and slot back A42 simultaneously blocks the defender at the knees. A flag is thrown. Time expires in the fourth quarter during the down. The Team A coach requests and is granted a head coach's conference.

Grant Team A's request for a conference. Found out from flagging official if blocks were simultaneous. Pick up the flag and wave it off because a simultaneous high/low block is legal (i.e NOT a chop block). Team A has just won the game and the try is not attempted (unless needed for playoff qualifying). Get off the field as a crew with your escort and then rip the flagging official a new one for not seeing the entire play or for not knowing simultaneous blocks are legal (once safely in the locker room).



[Edited by mikesears on Feb 11th, 2004 at 10:47 AM]

My first thoughts were also along these lines and now that I think about it I believe this was probably Uncle E’s intent to have us think of this as a possible chop block. But because he made no mention about the free blocking zone and the possibility of the slot back being outside the zone, I went with the block below the waist.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by James Neil

My first thoughts were also along these lines and now that I think about it I believe this was probably Uncle E’s intent to have us think of this as a possible chop block. But because he made no mention about the free blocking zone and the possibility of the slot back being outside the zone, I went with the block below the waist.

UGG! Good catch!

I'm trying to get my brain out of the persistent fog I've been in since the birth of my 5th child. Lack of sleep can do weird things to your brain.

Slot{b}BACK[/b] indicates he was in the backfield. And players not on the line of scrimmage cannot block below the waist. So we have a block below the waist (not a chop block). I guess the real question to ask the flagging official is, "What do you have?" If he says a "chop-block" shoot him on the spot

[sm_bbcoach]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by James Neil
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sm_bbcoach

February Quiz

Good question. For B to have the foul assessed from the succeeding spot, A's foul would have had to occur after the change of possession.

Was the facemask before or after possesion changed. I assume that it happened in the order you stated in the description of the play. SO, this means B can not have the penalty assessed at the suceeding spot.

Thanks Mike

[Bob M.]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by James Neil
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sm_bbcoach

February Quiz

Good question. For B to have the foul assessed from the succeeding spot, A's foul would have had to occur after the change of possession.

REPLY: My guess is that Uncle E took this question from an NCAA test. In NCAA rules, any face mask foul by the offense is a 15-yd. personal foul. And personal fouls by the opponents of a team scoring a TD are carried over either to the try or to the succeeding kick-off--offended team's captain makes that choice.

[Gmoore]

could I get the correct answers under NFHS?
Thanks !!!!