HS Football Penalty in OT

[chapmaja]

I have a question regarding the following situation. This isn't a real situation, but a hypothetical based on some information i just saw. NFHS rules.

HS Varsity game enters OT.

Team A scores, and the PAT attempt is good. Team B, during the PAT is called for Roughing the kicker.

What are the options for Team A as a result of the Team B penalty.

One of the options mentioned was half the distance and retry the PAT. I completely understand this option.

The second is enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot. This would make it Team B's possession at the 25 yard line. What is the down and distance in this situation?

[HLin NC]

1st and Goal.

RESOLVING TIED GAMES

5-3-1: The line to gain is always the goal line regardless of whether or not a penalty enforcement places the ball more than 10 yards from the goal line to start a new series.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

1st and Goal.

RESOLVING TIED GAMES

5-3-1: The line to gain is always the goal line regardless of whether or not a penalty enforcement places the ball more than 10 yards from the goal line to start a new series.

Thank you.

I personally think this is a crap rule, because it is inconsistent with the effect of the penalty at other points in the game.

For example, we have a 4th down stop by the Team B at midfield. After the play is over (but before the ball is spotted for play) Team B commits a DBPF by pushing a Team A player to the ground. The penalty is 15 yards, so Team now gains possession at the Team B 35 yard line. We still have a first and 10 situation. Since a live ball foul on a scoring play, (in the OP, roughing the kicker IIRC) can be penalized from the succeeding spot, which would be the point the ball is kicked off from.

If they want to have the penalty result in that substantial of a penalty it needs to be consistent at all points of the game. First and goal from the 25 in OT should be the same as first and 25 during regulation, in my opinion.


I also think OT should do what college does and start from the 25 rather than the 10, which would make this rule argument moot anyway.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Thank you.



I personally think this is a crap rule, because it is inconsistent with the effect of the penalty at other points in the game.



For example, we have a 4th down stop by the Team B at midfield. After the play is over (but before the ball is spotted for play) Team B commits a DBPF by pushing a Team A player to the ground. The penalty is 15 yards, so Team now gains possession at the Team B 35 yard line. We still have a first and 10 situation. Since a live ball foul on a scoring play, (in the OP, roughing the kicker IIRC) can be penalized from the succeeding spot, which would be the point the ball is kicked off from.



If they want to have the penalty result in that substantial of a penalty it needs to be consistent at all points of the game. First and goal from the 25 in OT should be the same as first and 25 during regulation, in my opinion.





I also think OT should do what college does and start from the 25 rather than the 10, which would make this rule argument moot anyway.

And in Wisconsin we DO start from the 25. States are free to use the NFHS recommended procedure or create their own. We use the NCAA tiebreaker rules.


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[HLin NC]

The key to NFHS philosophy on OT is they want the game over. It doesn't always work out that way but we rarely see sextuple OT games in HS. Its not that uncommon to have multiple periods in college.

If you want to foul your way out of it, then that's the team's problem.

[SC Official]

I wouldn't be surprised if more states use their own procedure than use the NFHS procedure.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

The key to NFHS philosophy on OT is they want the game over. It doesn't always work out that way but we rarely see sextuple OT games in HS. Its not that uncommon to have multiple periods in college.

If you want to foul your way out of it, then that's the team's problem.

Maybe your area doesn't see multiple OT games, but Michigan seems to. This season only three games though have gone multiple OT's. Of those, two went three OT's and the other went 4OT's.

I still think if they want to end the games earlier, increasing the distance from start to the endzone would do that more than going from the 10. From the 10 you are in FG range for most HS teams. Going back to the 20 or 25 and now you need a kicker to win the games. (With that said, a lot of OT games appeared to be 1 point margins in Michigan, so maybe a PAT isn't that easy for a lot of teams in this state.