Free kick situation

[tomes1978]

Opening kick off Friday night. Ball kicked toward sideline. Checks up and stops 1 inch from the sideline at the R11 yard line. R comes up straddles the sideline and picks the ball up. What do you have?

[JRutledge]

Ball down at the 11. K did not kick the ball out of bounds, R is responsible for the ball being ruled out of bounds.

Peace

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ball down at the 11. K did not kick the ball out of bounds, R is responsible for the ball being ruled out of bounds.

Peace

That's exactly what we did .....however, I believe should have been illegal participation. As R intentionally went out of bounds and participating in the play by touching the ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

That's exactly what we did .....however, I believe should have been illegal participation. As R intentionally went out of bounds and participating in the play by touching the ball.

Well that is the only way that you can have a IP on R. If they accidentally go out of bounds and be legal. For that classification, you really HTBT.

But based on the OP, all it said is he went out of bounds. How matters and I would not assume that unless it was stated or saw the play myself to make that determination. But in this case it would have be be obvious to make that ruling.

Peace

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well that is the only way that you can have a IP on R. If they accidentally go out of bounds and be legal. For that classification, you really HTBT.

But based on the OP, all it said is he went out of bounds. How matters and I would not assume that unless it was stated or saw the play myself to make that determination. But in this case it would have be be obvious to make that ruling.

Peace

He was not blocked out of bounds....he was out of bounds all by himself....but yes, it was obvious he knew he was out of bounds as he picked the ball up and did not try to run or anything.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

He was not blocked out of bounds....he was out of bounds all by himself....but yes, it was obvious he knew he was out of bounds as he picked the ball up and did not try to run or anything.....

A and K are the only players that cannot accidentally go out of bounds. Trying to make a play on the ball and touching the line by B and R is not illegal.

I get it we are splitting hairs, but that is not how the rule reads. B and R must go out intentionally as stated in 9-6-2. So the issue is if you determine it was done on purpose for this part of the fouling situation.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

He was not blocked out of bounds....he was out of bounds all by himself....but yes, it was obvious he knew he was out of bounds as he picked the ball up and did not try to run or anything.....

Did he wait to play the ball until he saw it come to rest? So the ball was at rest with no player attempting to play it? And the only player who tries to play it is one who was already OOB? Then ignore his touching it; this is a kick that's come to rest in the field of play with no eligible player attempting to play it. R's ball at that spot, no foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ball down at the 11. K did not kick the ball out of bounds, R is responsible for the ball being ruled out of bounds.



Peace

If R is out of bounds, by rule this is a KOB.


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[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by Rich

If R is out of bounds, by rule this is a KOB.


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So this brings up my next question regarding this play....rule 6-2-9 states "a free kick should not be kicked out of bounds between the goal line untouched INBOUNDS by R". The ball was never touched inbounds by R...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

So this brings up my next question regarding this play....rule 6-2-9 states "a free kick should not be kicked out of bounds between the goal line untouched INBOUNDS by R". The ball was never touched inbounds by R...

I'm with you. This is a kickoff out of bounds (KOB).

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm with you. This is a kickoff out of bounds (KOB).

So double foul with Illegal Participation? Re-kick?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Rich

If R is out of bounds, by rule this is a KOB.

I really don’t like this. A six-foot tall player lying prone could touch a ball that is at rest two yards from the sideline and cause a foul against K? Many teams angle kick & would love to have their KOs end up there.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CT1

I really don’t like this. A six-foot tall player lying prone could touch a ball that is at rest two yards from the sideline and cause a foul against K? Many teams angle kick & would love to have their KOs end up there.

It's the rule, suported by definitions and case plays.

If a player lays down and reaches out, I'm enforcing IP. It's in the bag of tools for obvious intentional plays of the ball.

I still wouldn't enforce IP in tomes's play.


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[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by CT1

I really don’t like this. A six-foot tall player lying prone could touch a ball that is at rest two yards from the sideline and cause a foul against K? Many teams angle kick & would love to have their KOs end up there.

Kinda like this?
https://youtu.be/zdw3Xj__eKA

[Jimmie24]

Many years ago, this happened to us in a high school game. We kicked off, ball was bouncing near the sideline. R caught the ball, while standing out of bounds. Penalty was on us, the K team. Needless to say, not a popular call.