NFHS Penalty Announcement

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Why would you think I should have, or need, a reason to not do something that we normally DON'T do, when there doesn't seem to be ANY valid reason, purpose or benefit to start doing it?

There is a valid reason, the person that as committed such act is about to be ejected if they continue. And every other sport makes these situations known. That is another reason why there are box scores with ejections on them.

But again, it does not matter what you feel is valid. I think it is valid and so does the NF, NCAA and NFL. You will eventually get over it.

I also have been doing this since we are allowed. It made no sense not to give that information.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Why would you think I should have, or need, a reason to not do something that we normally DON'T do, when there doesn't seem to be ANY valid reason, purpose or benefit to start doing it?

I think you should ask yourself that same question with respect to "why WOULDN'T we do it?".

Since every other level of football announces the number, and in other sports the offender's identity is revealed, it would behoove you to ask yourself "why would we not announce the number?".

"Because it's INTERSCHOLASTIC football" has been your only argument so far. In "interscholastic" basketball we report fouls to the table which are typically then announced by the PA. In "interscholastic" baseball it's very obvious when a player has been ejected. What does "interscholastic" have anything to do with why we should/should not announce the number?

And again, I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to protect high school kids from the purported embarrassment of having their number announced. Most high schoolers, football players in particular, don't have egos that fragile.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I can appreciate the benefit of letting a Coach know specifically what the nature of the USC foul was, as well as who committed it, so he/she might be in a better position to correct such damaging behavior and prevent it from reoccurring.

How THAT Coach decides to deal with the situation, is up to THAT Coach.

Why does a spectator need that information?

Heck, why do they need seating, a scoreboard, a hot dog vendor, or even to be allowed near the game?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Heck, why do they need seating, a scoreboard, a hot dog vendor, or even to be allowed near the game?

They might get tired of standing, would like to know who's actually playing (corresponds with all the players wearing unique numbers), avoids having to leave their seat if they get hungry, football is a spectator sport.

Perhaps you could suggest a valid reason why a spectator needs to know the identity of a disqualified player AT THE INTERSCHOLASTIC LEVEL.

[scrounge]

Well , just like you admit that they want to know who's playing , they also want to know who committed the foul. And the powers that be have agreed to give that information to them .

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

They might get tired of standing, would like to know who's actually playing (corresponds with all the players wearing unique numbers), avoids having to leave their seat if they get hungry, football is a spectator sport.

Perhaps you could suggest a valid reason why a spectator needs to know the identity of a disqualified player AT THE INTERSCHOLASTIC LEVEL.

They don't need to know that. They don't need to be there at all. The game doesn't need to be played. Football isn't a necessity.

But they may want to know, for the same reason they want to sit & be spectators, & the same reason people want to play AT THE INTERSCHOLASTIC LEVEL.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

They might get tired of standing, would like to know who's actually playing (corresponds with all the players wearing unique numbers), avoids having to leave their seat if they get hungry, football is a spectator sport.

Perhaps you could suggest a valid reason why a spectator needs to know the identity of a disqualified player AT THE INTERSCHOLASTIC LEVEL.

Because they do it at every other level and most sports. When a player is penalized for some unsporting act, usually it is announced publicly and usually, penalties are a result.

Basketball not only are the players to have announced to have a technical foul, there are actual actions that show a technical foul was likely given. In soccer, you give a red card when a player is ejected. In baseball or softball, play likey stops when there is an unsporting act and the player might immediately leave the contest as a result (like arguing balls and strikes) and under the right circumstances is replaced by another batter (if that is still the rule). I even believe in Volleyball there are players given cards. In hockey, there is a penalty box. So football has to be different? And we are in a much larger space where literally the announcers might not even know what took place but the signal for unsportsmanlike conduct. How many times have I given a block in the back signal only to have the announcer say "holding."

Also, I had a playoff game this where a kid from both teams was ejected for their second UNC foul with no mic. They conference assignor was asked by a coach who was ejected from the contest that they were playing the next week. Maybe if we had a mic to announce this, there would have been little confusion on the video. Because by IHSA By-Laws a player ejected must sit the next game, an announcement might have helped the confusion. And yes we had to tell the coaches, but it took longer than needed.

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Because they do it at every other level and most sports. When a player is penalized for some unsporting act, usually it is announced publicly and usually, penalties are a result.

. How many times have I given a block in the back signal only to have the announcer say "holding."

Also, I had a playoff game this where a kid from both teams was ejected for their second UNC foul with no mic. They conference assignor was asked by a coach who was ejected from the contest that they were playing the next week. Maybe if we had a mic to announce this, there would have been little confusion on the video. Because by IHSA By-Laws a player ejected must sit the next game, an announcement might have helped the confusion. And yes we had to tell the coaches, but it took longer than needed.

Peace

I'm still looking for, "a valid reason why a spectator needs to know the identity of a disqualified player AT THE INTERSCHOLASTIC LEVEL." at a football game. Why also should I care how other sports handle this question.

As for the playoff game information; the conference assignor should have known the answer to that Coach's question, or the Coach should have asked one of the game officials. Are you suggesting Referee's should also announce each rule, that explains each penalty?

"Because everyone else does it", is not usually a good answer.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also, I had a playoff game this where a kid from both teams was ejected for their second UNC foul with no mic. They conference assignor was asked by a coach who was ejected from the contest that they were playing the next week.

In English, please.......