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Old Mon Nov 27, 2017, 01:49am
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NFHS Penalty Announcement

When under the NFHS rules did they start announcing the number of the player who committed a penalty. I noticed it this past weekend during the Minnesota State Title Games. Thank you.
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Old Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:42am
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A while now. Subtle change in the manual, from "will not" to "may."

I always thought that particular prohibition was downright silly.


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Old Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:36am
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A while now. Subtle change in the manual, from "will not" to "may."

I always thought that particular prohibition was downright silly.
Why would you ever write in the rules what someone may do? Why not just eliminate verbiage referring to any such thing?

That's not the only example of surplus verbiage. Who needs a passage describing the object of the game? The rules tell you how to keep score, tell you the greater score wins; why not just leave it to one's imagination that each team would try to win? If a team for some reason tries to lose, what's the penalty, a forfeit?
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Old Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:50am
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A while now. Subtle change in the manual, from "will not" to "may." I always thought that particular prohibition was downright silly.
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My understanding of the practice's origin was to advise the offending team coach, who specifically violated a rule, so that coach could take whatever personalized corrective measures to teach the player to avoid such problems in the future.

Still don't comprehend why the spectators need to know the identity of the fouling player (could be that TV and "latest technology" had something to do with it) but it's actual purpose and value, or publicly announcing identity of the perpetrator, escape me.

Announcing, and explaining, the violation makes sense as it helps spectators understand what is happening.
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When under the NFHS rules did they start announcing the number of the player who committed a penalty. I noticed it this past weekend during the Minnesota State Title Games. Thank you.
It changed in MN for the 2017 season... prior to 2017 they didn't want us announcing the player's number, but now they require us to announce the player's number.

Of course, it only really matters for games where the R has a field microphone. And, at least for our crew, that was 2 out of 11 games. And, of course, one of those games just happened to be the game where we had 3 separate fouls on a single punt play.
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Because as we all learned in Business Law, there's a big difference between "may" and "shall".

In this instance, the Fed is handing off responsibility off to individual states to interpret how they wish.
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Because as we all learned in Business Law, there's a big difference between "may" and "shall".

In this instance, the Fed is handing off responsibility off to individual states to interpret how they wish.
But wouldn't that be accomplished just as well by Fed's not making any mention of such announcements?
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The whole notion that not announcing the foul saves the kid from embarrassment is just idiotic.

It's all part of letting people know what happened. Was holding on a receiver, was it on a lineman, was it on a back? Hey, let's just announce the number.

And yes, TV. It's nice for them to know where to show a replay if it's a multi-camera game, which I know doesn't happen for many of us on Friday nights.
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The whole notion that not announcing the foul saves the kid from embarrassment is just idiotic.

It's all part of letting people know what happened. Was holding on a receiver, was it on a lineman, was it on a back? Hey, let's just announce the number.

And yes, TV. It's nice for them to know where to show a replay if it's a multi-camera game, which I know doesn't happen for many of us on Friday nights.
And in sports like basketball, we announce the number anyway. Why is football so special when we do not foul out the player. But when we have an Unsporting act, it is good that we let everyone know who that is we just called that penalty on.

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And in sports like basketball, we announce the number anyway.

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Way back when I played you had to raise your hand if the foul was on you.
And that was the rule back before I started officiating basketball. That is no longer the case of course.

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Old Wed Nov 29, 2017, 07:20pm
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it is good that we let everyone know who that is we just called that penalty on. Peace
I can appreciate the benefit of letting a Coach know specifically what the nature of the USC foul was, as well as who committed it, so he/she might be in a better position to correct such damaging behavior and prevent it from reoccurring.

How THAT Coach decides to deal with the situation, is up to THAT Coach.

Why does a spectator need that information? What can he/she do with it. Perhaps a parent should know, that seems a decision better made by THAT Coach, who may understand the family dynamics a lot better.

Presuming that EVERY SINGLE UNC foul committed is a MISTAKE (by that player - no excuses, no pay back) as a lack of control and focus, what good does it do to point out THAT player's MISTAKE to a lot of strangers? What's the point?
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Old Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:52pm
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In basketball the PA announcer says the fouling player's NAME over the microphone, even for a technical foul. Yet in football it's "embarrassing" for the R to say the number? Please.
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