NFHS Penalty Announcement

[Rich]

The whole notion that not announcing the foul saves the kid from embarrassment is just idiotic.

It's all part of letting people know what happened. Was holding on a receiver, was it on a lineman, was it on a back? Hey, let's just announce the number.

And yes, TV. It's nice for them to know where to show a replay if it's a multi-camera game, which I know doesn't happen for many of us on Friday nights.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

The whole notion that not announcing the foul saves the kid from embarrassment is just idiotic.

It's all part of letting people know what happened. Was holding on a receiver, was it on a lineman, was it on a back? Hey, let's just announce the number.

And yes, TV. It's nice for them to know where to show a replay if it's a multi-camera game, which I know doesn't happen for many of us on Friday nights.

And in sports like basketball, we announce the number anyway. Why is football so special when we do not foul out the player. But when we have an Unsporting act, it is good that we let everyone know who that is we just called that penalty on.

Peace

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And in sports like basketball, we announce the number anyway.

Peace

Way back when I played you had to raise your hand if the foul was on you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Way back when I played you had to raise your hand if the foul was on you.

And that was the rule back before I started officiating basketball. That is no longer the case of course.

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

it is good that we let everyone know who that is we just called that penalty on. Peace

I can appreciate the benefit of letting a Coach know specifically what the nature of the USC foul was, as well as who committed it, so he/she might be in a better position to correct such damaging behavior and prevent it from reoccurring.

How THAT Coach decides to deal with the situation, is up to THAT Coach.

Why does a spectator need that information? What can he/she do with it. Perhaps a parent should know, that seems a decision better made by THAT Coach, who may understand the family dynamics a lot better.

Presuming that EVERY SINGLE UNC foul committed is a MISTAKE (by that player - no excuses, no pay back) as a lack of control and focus, what good does it do to point out THAT player's MISTAKE to a lot of strangers? What's the point?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I can appreciate the benefit of letting a Coach know specifically what the nature of the USC foul was, as well as who committed it, so he/she might be in a better position to correct such damaging behavior and prevent it from reoccurring.

How THAT Coach decides to deal with the situation, is up to THAT Coach.

Why does a spectator need that information? What can he/she do with it. Perhaps a parent should know, that seems a decision better made by THAT Coach, who may understand the family dynamics a lot better.

Presuming that EVERY SINGLE UNC foul committed is a MISTAKE (by that player - no excuses, no pay back) as a lack of control and focus, what good does it do to point out THAT player's MISTAKE to a lot of strangers? What's the point?

If the player is ejected or there is something that might result in ejection, then that should be made public. I do not see what "let the coach handle it" has anything to do with the situation. As stated in other sports it is clear when a player is ejected, why not football?

For the record most of the time, we never get a mic in the first place. So this really is not that much of a concern honestly either way.

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the player is ejected or there is something that might result in ejection, then that should be made public. I do not see what "let the coach handle it" has anything to do with the situation.

For the record most of the time, we never get a mic in the first place. So this really is not that much of a concern honestly either way. Peace

When a player has been ejected, the situation HAS BEEN HANDLED, any subsequent "handling" by the Coach should be efforts at preventing such behavior from happening AGAIN.

If action, "that might result in ejection" actually HAPPENS, somebody should be ejected, as that penalty is reserved for egregious, or repetitive serious behaviors.

In either event, why does Joe Spectator NEED to know the details? The result unfolding should be all that is necessary to understand the type behavior exhibited.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

When a player has been ejected, the situation HAS BEEN HANDLED, any subsequent "handling" by the Coach should be efforts at preventing such behavior from happening AGAIN.

If action, "that might result in ejection" actually HAPPENS, somebody should be ejected, as that penalty is reserved for egregious, or repetitive serious behaviors.

In either event, why does Joe Spectator NEED to know the details? The result unfolding should be all that is necessary to understand the type behavior exhibited.

Joe Spectator knows when a player has been given a technical foul in basketball. Joe Spectator knows when a player has been ejected in baseball and softball. Don't players get carded in soccer? Why would we not tell everyone just in football when a penalty has been given to a player or coach for that matter?

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Joe Spectator knows when a player has been given a technical foul in basketball. Joe Spectator knows when a player has been ejected in baseball and softball. Don't players get carded in soccer? Why would we not tell everyone just in football when a penalty has been given to a player or coach for that matter? Peace

Forgive me, I forgot why I should care what baseball, softball, soccer or basketball does about disqualified players. In football Joe Spectator doesn't need to know the player's identity, it doesn't matter if Joe Spectator knows, or doesn't know the player's identity, and football players don't deserve any notoriety for being really stupid & hurting their team.

[SC Official]

I can't believe some people are so worried about the fragile egos of high school football players that they believe something as trivial as as announcing their number would be harmful to them.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I can't believe some people are so worried about the fragile egos of high school football players that they believe something as trivial as as announcing their number would be harmful to them.

This. Exactly this.


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[SC Official]

Fans don’t “need” to know who fouled at any level of football, or any sport for that matter.

I’m still waiting for ajmc to give a legitimate reason not to announce the number that doesn’t involve fragile high school egos.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Fans don’t “need” to know who fouled at any level of football, or any sport for that matter.

I’m still waiting for ajmc to give a legitimate reason not to announce the number that doesn’t involve fragile high school egos.

Why would you think I should have, or need, a reason to not do something that we normally DON'T do, when there doesn't seem to be ANY valid reason, purpose or benefit to start doing it?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Why would you think I should have, or need, a reason to not do something that we normally DON'T do, when there doesn't seem to be ANY valid reason, purpose or benefit to start doing it?

I've announced numbers since I was told it was permissible.

Better question: Why wouldn't I?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Why would you think I should have, or need, a reason to not do something that we normally DON'T do, when there doesn't seem to be ANY valid reason, purpose or benefit to start doing it?

Everything in football is abnormal behavior. Bunch of people coming to a big space, running around for a while, then leaving. Things people don't normally do. All of it subject to minutely detailed procedures. Yet you want to single out this one detail as needing a reason the rest of it doesn't?