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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:04am
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Holding (Basic spot)

I'm a little confused about this basic spot definition on a foul.
Lets say Team A has it 1-10 from their 45. During the live ball the O-line hold (flag) at the 40. QB get sack at the 25.
Defense accept the penalty.
how is it enforce? Is the penalty enforce from the end of the run which is at the 25 or from the spot where the foul occur?

1-25 from the 30 yd. or 1-40 from the 15 yd?
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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:44am
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I'm a little confused about this basic spot definition on a foul.
Lets say Team A has it 1-10 from their 45. During the live ball the O-line hold (flag) at the 40. QB get sack at the 25.
Defense accept the penalty.
how is it enforce? Is the penalty enforce from the end of the run which is at the 25 or from the spot where the foul occur?

1-25 from the 30 yd. or 1-40 from the 15 yd?
1st and 40 from the 15. Basic spot is the 25. Since the foul was not behind the basic spot, enforce from the basic spot. Question I have is why flag for holding when the QB is sacked? I suppose it could happen, but that's a tough one to explain to the coach.

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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:08am
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1st and 40 from the 15. Basic spot is the 25. Since the foul was not behind the basic spot, enforce from the basic spot. Question I have is why flag for holding when the QB is sacked? I suppose it could happen, but that's a tough one to explain to the coach.

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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:14am
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What if the BJ has a flag down for defensive holding?


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Defensive penalties are always from the basic spot, so 1st and 15 from the 40.

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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:15am
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No, thats why you throw the offensive hold on a sack.


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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:28am
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No, because obviously A gained no advantage by holding. There may have been holding contact, but with no advantage, it should not be a foul.

Granted there may be exceptions.
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Old Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:36am
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If its immediate to the sack, I dont disagree, But otherwise....

As a D coach Id wonder why were being penalized for a hold while another hold is being disregarded.


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Or the holding is obvious to the point where your credibility is on the line if you do not call it (it stands out clearly on tape). So yes there could be a hold on one player, but another player makes the play and gets a sack.

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Old Wed Sep 06, 2017, 03:14am
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Defensive penalties are always from the basic spot, so 1st and 15 from the 40.

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Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?
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Old Wed Sep 06, 2017, 03:54am
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Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?
No. Penalizing the defense. I did miscalculate, though. It would be 1st and 20 from the 35. Play ended at the 25, so tack on 10 and replay the down.

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Old Wed Sep 06, 2017, 07:24am
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Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?
The basic spot is the end of the run (where the QB was sacked) because there was no pass/loose ball. If there was a legal forward pass, we'd enforce from the previous spot.
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