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Mo-Money Thu Aug 31, 2017 01:04am
Holding (Basic spot)
 
I'm a little confused about this basic spot definition on a foul.
Lets say Team A has it 1-10 from their 45. During the live ball the O-line hold (flag) at the 40. QB get sack at the 25.
Defense accept the penalty.
how is it enforce? Is the penalty enforce from the end of the run which is at the 25 or from the spot where the foul occur?

1-25 from the 30 yd. or 1-40 from the 15 yd?

smileyh Thu Aug 31, 2017 03:44am
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Originally Posted by Mo-Money (Post 1008914)
I'm a little confused about this basic spot definition on a foul.
Lets say Team A has it 1-10 from their 45. During the live ball the O-line hold (flag) at the 40. QB get sack at the 25.
Defense accept the penalty.
how is it enforce? Is the penalty enforce from the end of the run which is at the 25 or from the spot where the foul occur?

1-25 from the 30 yd. or 1-40 from the 15 yd?
1st and 40 from the 15. Basic spot is the 25. Since the foul was not behind the basic spot, enforce from the basic spot. Question I have is why flag for holding when the QB is sacked? I suppose it could happen, but that's a tough one to explain to the coach.

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Rich Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:08am
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Originally Posted by smileyh (Post 1008915)
1st and 40 from the 15. Basic spot is the 25. Since the foul was not behind the basic spot, enforce from the basic spot. Question I have is why flag for holding when the QB is sacked? I suppose it could happen, but that's a tough one to explain to the coach.

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What if the BJ has a flag down for defensive holding?


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smileyh Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:14am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1008916)
What if the BJ has a flag down for defensive holding?


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Defensive penalties are always from the basic spot, so 1st and 15 from the 40.

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Rich Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:15am
No, that’s why you throw the offensive hold on a sack.


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Reffing Rev. Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:28am
No, because obviously A gained no advantage by holding. There may have been holding contact, but with no advantage, it should not be a foul.

Granted there may be exceptions.

Rich Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:36am
If it’s immediate to the sack, I don’t disagree, But otherwise....

As a D coach I’d wonder why we’re being penalized for a hold while another hold is being disregarded.


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JRutledge Thu Aug 31, 2017 07:38am
Or the holding is obvious to the point where your credibility is on the line if you do not call it (it stands out clearly on tape). So yes there could be a hold on one player, but another player makes the play and gets a sack.

Peace

Mo-Money Wed Sep 06, 2017 03:14am
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Originally Posted by smileyh (Post 1008917)
Defensive penalties are always from the basic spot, so 1st and 15 from the 40.

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Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?

smileyh Wed Sep 06, 2017 03:54am
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Originally Posted by Mo-Money (Post 1008986)
Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?
No. Penalizing the defense. I did miscalculate, though. It would be 1st and 20 from the 35. Play ended at the 25, so tack on 10 and replay the down.

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VA Official Wed Sep 06, 2017 07:24am
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Originally Posted by Mo-Money (Post 1008986)
Defense holding and your penalizing the offense?
The basic spot is the end of the run (where the QB was sacked) because there was no pass/loose ball. If there was a legal forward pass, we'd enforce from the previous spot.


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