Pregame topic - kicking game

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* touchbacks and how force is not a consideration on kicks heading towards R's end zone (hint: is a muffed punt that crosses the GL and recovered by K a touchback or a K TD?)

* the differences in KCI rules for HS vs other levels

* how KCI rules differ for free kicks vs scrimmage kicks

* when can K advance a scrimmage kick

* invalid, valid, and illegal fair catch signals

* if a receiver gives a fair catch signal, what happens if someone else catches it? Is that 2nd receiver protected from KCI?

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by scrounge

* if a receiver gives a fair catch signal, what happens if someone else catches it? Is that 2nd receiver protected from KCI?

Isn't any R player in position or attempting to move into position to catch a kick afforded protection from KCI?

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

Isn't any R player in position or attempting to move into position to catch a kick afforded protection from KCI?

Exactly why I put this one on the list, an interesting one to look up. Forgot to include whether receiver is protected from contact as well, that's a key point to contrast.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Exactly why I put this one on the list, an interesting one to look up. Forgot to include whether receiver is protected from contact as well, that's a key point to contrast.

I think you are trying to make the point that the ball is dead regardless of who catches it if any member of R signals for a fair catch. If, for example, R1 signals for a fair catch and R2 makes the catch, the ball is dead upon R2's catch, but a fair catch is not awarded nor is R2 afforded protection from contact after the catch (although a late hit would still be possible since the ball is dead and the whistle should sound pretty quickly).

My point was that KCI occurs when K contacts R before R has an opportunity to make a catch regardless of whether a fair catch was or was not signaled.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

I think you are trying to make the point that the ball is dead regardless of who catches it if any member of R signals for a fair catch. If, for example, R1 signals for a fair catch and R2 makes the catch, the ball is dead upon R2's catch, but a fair catch is not awarded nor is R2 afforded protection from contact after the catch (although a late hit would still be possible since the ball is dead and the whistle should sound pretty quickly).

My point was that KCI occurs when K contacts R before R has an opportunity to make a catch regardless of whether a fair catch was or was not signaled.

Indeed....very interesting pre-game topic, since it's so rare but blows up spectacularly if it does happen and you're not prepared.