The right calls

[Knights K2]

Two calls. 1st and ten, 20 yrd run with a holding penalty at the 12 yard mark of the run. Call was 10 yrd penalty from spot of foul. Made it 1st and 8. Should it have been loss of down?
Second call. Personl foul against defense on a 20 yrd offensive run. Penalty was declined. Why wouldn't 15 yrds be added on to end of run?

[Rich]

1st and 8 is correct.. Why would there be a loss of down?

15 should've been added to the end of the run.

[HLin NC]

Down is always repeated on an accepted penalty, unless a loss of down is specified. Holding is not one of those fouls.

Ask the coach why he declined the penalty on the PF.

[Rich]

Not possible. No good R would even ask.

[HLin NC]

Don't think he's an R, Rich

[Rich]

I know....and I know the R/crew screwed up the enforcement. Cause no coach would decline a tack-on and no good crew would bother asking.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know....and I know the R/crew screwed up the enforcement. Cause no coach would decline a tack-on and no good crew would bother asking.

It's always dangerous to assume. Perhaps this is a coach who INSISTS on making decisions, and has previously advised he does not NEED advice from anyone about anything.

[jTheUmp]

There are only 3 fouls that specify a loss of down in NFHS (high school) football:
Illegal forward pass
Illegal handing
Illegal touching

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ajmc

It's always dangerous to assume. Perhaps this is a coach who INSISTS on making decisions, and has previously advised he does not NEED advice from anyone about anything.

Would not change a thing.

I run a game, not the coaches.

[HLin NC]

I had a MS "playoff" game last Wed. evening. Home is up 30-12 when visitors score with :26 on the clock. On the try A doesn't score and the wings flag IF. I signal the foul and declined and get ready to split off for the kickoff when the LJ comes in to tell me that B coach wants to accept the penalty.

"What the #@$% does he want to do that for?"
"He wants the kids to get another play."
"This is when a kid will break his #@$+% leg or blow his #@$% knee out."
"He wants another play."
"I hope K recovers the inevitable onside kick."

We bring both teams back and run a once again unsuccessful try.
Earlier the same coach takes another IF penalty on second down when the play lost yardage. The difference in distance was about two yards between the play and the penalty. He chose the penalty and repeating the down vs. 3rd down.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Rich

Would not change a thing.

I run a game, not the coaches.

Not to belabor a point, but NFHS 2-32-5 DESIGNATES the team Captain to "represent his team during; (b) Penalty decisions following a foul", which is very often aided, considerably, by advice from either/both his Coach or a wise and prudent Referee.

[Rich]

Belabor all you want. Doesn't change a thing.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Knights K2

Second call. Personl foul against defense on a 20 yrd offensive run. Penalty was declined. Why wouldn't 15 yrds be added on to end of run?

Sure, if the penalty were accepted, which should've been made clear to the captain. But nothing says they have to accept it.

[Rich]

There's a serious disconnect in this thread. The penalty should've been enforced and the ball made ready for play without any interaction with the defense.

I know I sound like a broken record, but there are some lesser experienced Rs out there that need to know that obvious penalties should be enforced without consulting the offended team.

Sure they can decline the penalty...but they'd have to chase me down and insist we not enforce it. Which they wouldn't.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

I had a MS "playoff" game last Wed. evening. Home is up 30-12 when visitors score with :26 on the clock. On the try A doesn't score and the wings flag IF. I signal the foul and declined and get ready to split off for the kickoff when the LJ comes in to tell me that B coach wants to accept the penalty.

"What the #@$% does he want to do that for?"
"He wants the kids to get another play."
"This is when a kid will break his #@$+% leg or blow his #@$% knee out."

But you could make the latter statement before they 1st step onto the field, or play any down. You might as well say football should never be played.

Were the teams playing for stakes, & primarily for the stakes? If not, then the important thing to keep in mind is this is play, not work. No matter what the score is, playing is playing. I could understand the complaint if one team were slaughtering the other so bad physically (not just technically) at most positions that the entire game in retrospect was more danger than it was worth, should never have been played to begin with, and should be ended ASAP. But otherwise, if the game is practically decided score-wise, the fact that they keep playing means that they enjoy it. Why spoil their fun?

Do you ever officiate scrimmages? Why should you? They risk injury & don't even keep score. Replaying a try down in a situation where the teams are no longer paying att'n to the score is just like a down in a scrimmage.