Need help on two calls!!

[VaCoach]

First one: Inbounds pass is thrown and is lodged between the backboard and the basket....Violation or jump ball, possession arrow?

Second one: One offical calls block, other offical calls charge. They report both fouls, possession arrow or POI rule and offensive team inbounds.

[mplagrow]

What rules? NFHS? NCAA? Oh, and just to add to your dilemma, what if the first situation was an alternating possession throw-in??

[Edited by mplagrow on Feb 24th, 2006 at 10:20 PM]

[Adam]

Originally posted by VaCoach
First one: Inbounds pass is thrown and is lodged between the backboard and the basket....Violation or jump ball, possession arrow?

Second one: One offical calls block, other offical calls charge. They report both fouls, possession arrow or POI rule and offensive team inbounds.

First: violation. He did not throw it so that it touches another player on the court.

Second: POI. This year, it's POI in NFHS as well as NCAA.

[yankeesfan]

in the second situation, if the basket is made it should count. there is no team control on a shot attempt, how can you go to POI on this. i realize it is a double foul, but since there is no team control on a shot attempt, this foul situation still goes to the arrow.

[Edited by yankeesfan on Feb 25th, 2006 at 12:53 AM]

[RefNVa]

If there is a successful try then you count the bucket, report the fouls and then it is B's ball. I believe this is handled the same as a double foul on a successful try.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by yankeesfan
in the second situation, if the basket is made it should count. there is no team control on a shot attempt, how can you go to POI on this. i realize it is a double foul, but since there is no team control on a shot attempt, this foul situation still goes to the arrow.

We just went through this ad infinitum in another thread. You're wrong. See case book play 4.19.8SitC. It goes to the POI- which is a team B throw-in after a made basket.

[crazy voyager]

1. If normal throw in, go to the arrow
if it's a call after possesion is gained from the arrow, blow anothre jump ball, change the arrow (the throw in has been done, so arrow should change) hand the other team the ball, then switch the arrow once again (after completed throw in)
this was a trick question on the last test I made


2. go to the arrow,
if ball goes in (offensive player releases before foul)defensive team runs endline after made points

[VaCoach]

In the second situation, the double foul, there was no shot taken.It was simply a dribble, contact, one called block and one called charge!!

[crazy voyager]

then it's an ordinary double foul, report it and go to the arrow

[VaCoach]

Why would you go with the arrow? Why would you not use the POI rule and give the offense the ball back?? I don't see the difference in this double foul and if the two post players were pushing each other and a double foul was called. POI says the offense would keep the ball. Whats the difference?? Thanks

[crazy voyager]

Remember that this is FIBA

I've been taught to after on ball double fouls the alternating possesion rules is used. And as usuall I'm to tired (or rather I'm not feeling like spending time) to go and look up the rule citation.

But as I've been taught POI is only used during off ball double fouls, arrow= on ball double fouls

[VaCoach]

POI is used anytime there is a double foul including technicals, when one team has ball control. In the case of a "block/charge" double foul being called, one team did have ball control so therefore I think they keep the ball.
I am talking NFHS rules. Thats what I am tring to find out...is this covered in the rule book??

[Adam]

VaCoach. I think you're right. POI should definitely be in play here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by VaCoach
POI is used anytime there is a double foul including technicals, when one team has ball control. In the case of a "block/charge" double foul being called, one team did have ball control so therefore I think they keep the ball.
I am talking NFHS rules. Thats what I am tring to find out...is this covered in the rule book??

New this year:

Rule 7-5-9-- "After a double personal foul, a double technical foul or a simultaneous foul, play shall be resumed at the point of interruption".

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by VaCoach
Why would you go with the arrow? Why would you not use the POI rule and give the offense the ball back?? I don't see the difference in this double foul and if the two post players were pushing each other and a double foul was called. POI says the offense would keep the ball. Whats the difference?? Thanks

Coach, ignore crazy. He uses FIBA rules. They have nothing to do with us.

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