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Fri Oct 07, 2005, 11:44am
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As discussed in a previous thread, a safe call & signal are not necessary (in fact discouraged) if a ball thrown to 1st base is clearly dropped and in plain view. I was wondering what other times this 'No Call Needed' comes into play. For example a pitched ball that hits in front of the plate, any batted ball clearly caught by a fielder, a ball 20 feet foul, a swinging strike are all obvious calls I can think of that may not require a call or signal. Please keep in mind I only do ASA Adult SP - so please respond accordingly or make clear if you are responding for some other type.
Thanks all
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Fri Oct 07, 2005, 01:26pm
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Here's an area of relative inconsistency, unfortunately. Whike the credo of "no ball, no call" exists, most all the other plays you mention are expected to have, at least, an acknowledgement. I guess the point is that a no call means the runner is safe, while other situations create a change in count or circumstances, so they require at least some minimal acknowledgement.
So, for starters, all pitches deserve a call; every pitch that is not hit is either a ball or a strike, and deserves either a verbal call or signal. Since there is no signal for a ball, it must be verbal; even if the ball bounces to the plate, or hits the screen on the fly. Swinging strikes are not verbalized; but they are acknowledged by a signal, so that the defense knows that they don't need to ask you to check (in adult slow pitch, though, you may enjoy verbalizing!!). All outs require at least a basic out signal; obvious outs need not be verbalized. Obvious foul balls are the only category you mentioned where mechanics suggest no call or signal is considered necessary.
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Fri Oct 07, 2005, 02:35pm
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Thanks that all makes sense
Yes I do enjoy a good verbal call on a swinging strike in slowpitch, mostly for mens leagues and when it is the third strike  If there are any other situation where a call does not need to be made, please include.
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Sat Oct 08, 2005, 05:18am
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I have not done ASA for about 5 years. In the organization I do (NFHS, NSA, LL and Baseball), I do not verbalize nor signal the following:
* balls that are so far out of the strike zone that everyone knows it's a ball, * foul balls that are clearly in dead ball territory, * 'can of corn' pop flies easily caught, or * any other plays that I feel signalling would just be an attempt to call attention to myself instead of to the game.
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Sat Oct 08, 2005, 08:33am
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I am aware that some associations preach the concepts just stated; and when in Rome, we do what our Caesar directs.
But, no umpire manual nor higher directive has indicated anything other than obvious foul balls not be indicated, according to ASA, NCAA, and NFHS. ASA and NCAA manuals are clear in stating all balls must be verbalized, and all strikes signaled. It isn't considered calling attention to yourself to signal the call that is your job to call. But, if my UIC in a tournament directed us to stop signalling or calling, I would do what that UIC directed; for that tournament. Then, I would return to the prescribed mechanics until directed otherwise, again.
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Sat Oct 08, 2005, 02:28pm
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As well for me. If my UIC in a tournament directed us to start signaling or calling the absurdly obvious, I would do what that UIC directed; for that tournament. Then, I would return to the prescribed mechanics until directed otherwise, again.
When I was in ASA, I called all the stuff, cause that's what they want. I even verbally called it on a foul ball that went approx 150 left of third base and cracked a windshield. I continued to call the obvious, even though in the above play, the catcher responded to my call with "No &#+% Sherlock".
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Mon Oct 10, 2005, 12:38pm
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The one I have trouble with is the infield trap. This board has said the proper call is "NONE". I feel the runners & the other fielders are waiting for some call, and me just standing there like a bump on a log is bad Umpiring.
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Mon Oct 10, 2005, 01:22pm
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I must not have been here that day. I will signal safe on an uncaught trap (infield OR outfield). I would advise anyone who asked to do so as well.
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Mon Oct 10, 2005, 03:53pm
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I loudly and very clearly call "NO CATCH" while giving a "safe" signal. I make sure it is clear and precise so there is no question about the words which came out of my mouth. On top of that, the runner does have coaches to help them out. If they still have a problem, maybe they should be playing soccer.
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Tue Oct 11, 2005, 08:03pm
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hmmm
I will also signal a safe mechanic on a trap in the infield. But Mike, do you really want to say "no catch?" That could be misinterpreted as "catch" especially if the fans are loud and drown out the sound. I have verblized "trap" or "safe." Conversely, on infield line drives that are caught but it is tuff to see, I will say "catch" and "out." Things I don't tend to verbalize are routine caught fly balls, though I do give a close-to-the-body out signal. I do not signal foul ball if it is more then about 10 feet from the line and stop vocals 15 feet from the line. Blu
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Wed Oct 12, 2005, 06:53am
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The book calls for a verbal "safe" on a trapped ball, but I know quite a few umpires whose "safe" and "out" are just about the same. A clear "NO" "CATCH" should not be a problem especially since it is two distinctive words. As a player, if I heard more than one word, I knew it wasn't "out".  And if you want to talk semantics, like many on this board love to pick apart the book, the BR is not safe on a dropped or trapped ball, they are by definition, "in jeopardy".[Edited by IRISHMAFIA on Oct 12th, 2005 at 07:58 AM]
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Wed Oct 12, 2005, 09:51am
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I've never liked 2-word calls, where 1 would suffice. "SAFE" and a point indicates to everyone what you saw. No need to say anything else.
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Wed Oct 12, 2005, 11:52am
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