Sitting a player down

[TimTaylor]

As others have said we don't have the authority to "sit a player down" unless the specific league rules permit it. If the rules don't allow for it, then the best approach is to call the foul.

There have been situations where I have quietly told a coach that #xx was getting out of control and they needed to calm him/her down, and in almost every case the coach took care of it. The vast majority of coaches have been very cooperative in these situations.

However we do have other options if needed, depending on the situation.

Case in point - 4 years ago in a JVB regular season game: Home is up by 20 with about 1:30 left in Q4. Home has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter and as H2 at the elbow extended passes the ball back to H1, V2 comes charging up from the lower block on the lane line and violently pushes H2 off the court into the home bench.

I immediately came up with an intentional foul signal, quickly verified that H2 seemed to be OK then walked past the table telling them I would be with them in a second. I then approached the visiting HC and quietly told him that V2 was completely out of control (the kid had been getting more & more physical over the last couple minutes and calling fouls didn't stop him) and needed to come out of the game before someone really got hurt. The coach gave me a line of crap about it was nothing but good hard defense and he wanted to see more of it.

So I went to the reporting area, and reported a flagrant intentional foul on V2, which I had every justification in doing based on V2's actions. As a result, the kid was suspended and the school was fined. It was probably a mistake to give the coach a chance to handle it, and in hind sight if something like that ever happens again I'll more than likely just go straight to the flagrant.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

As others have said we don't have the authority to "sit a player down" unless the specific league rules permit it. If the rules don't allow for it, then the best approach is to call the foul.

There have been situations where I have quietly told a coach that #xx was getting out of control and they needed to calm him/her down, and in almost every case the coach took care of it. The vast majority of coaches have been very cooperative in these situations.

However we do have other options if needed, depending on the situation.

Case in point - 4 years ago in a JVB regular season game: Home is up by 20 with about 1:30 left in Q4. Home has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter and as H2 at the elbow extended passes the ball back to H1, V2 comes charging up from the lower block on the lane line and violently pushes H2 off the court into the home bench.

I immediately came up with an intentional foul signal, quickly verified that H2 seemed to be OK then walked past the table telling them I would be with them in a second. I then approached the visiting HC and quietly told him that V2 was completely out of control (the kid had been getting more & more physical over the last couple minutes and calling fouls didn't stop him) and needed to come out of the game before someone really got hurt. The coach gave me a line of crap about it was nothing but good hard defense and he wanted to see more of it.

So I went to the reporting area, and reported a flagrant intentional foul on V2, which I had every justification in doing based on V2's actions. As a result, the kid was suspended and the school was fined. It was probably a mistake to give the coach a chance to handle it, and in hind sight if something like that ever happens again I'll more than likely just go straight to the flagrant.

1. When a player commits an act of violence, the proper penalty is a flagrant foul.
2. There is no such thing as a "flagrant intentional foul." A foul is either intentional or flagrant, but cannot be both.
3. Your last sentence is the correct way to handle this. (flagrant personal foul)

[APG]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

Is this your god complex talking or can it be justified by a rule somewhere?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Greatly amusing that a guy with only 23 posts picked up on that right away.

This statement was qualified under the assumption that it's a summer league game that doesn't keep track of fouls/DQ's/ejections, and you both damn well know it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

This statement was qualified under the assumption that it's a summer league game that doesn't keep track of fouls/DQ's/ejections you both damn well know it.

Teams during the summer do not have legal jerseys, but I guess some fool thinks we penalize those too by the rules?

Oh well.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Teams during the summer do not have legal jerseys,

Why does this constantly happen?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Why does this constantly happen?

It is summer, that is why?

Are you telling me where you live they play all the rules during summer that they play during the regular season?

Where I am and even in my experience in other states, summer games are running clock games where you are lucky if they even keep track of fouls, individual points or any regular stats. There are games were we will not even shoot bonus FTs like a normal game and we certainly do not have the same substitution standards.

The purpose of summer leagues are to be exposed to their high school coaches and players and give kids a chance to play or run their systems so that they are familiar with what they will be doing when real practice starts. Heck teams are even lucky to have all their players playing during any particular game, league or tournament.

It seems like there is this total disconnect for what summer is for most of us.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Teams during the summer do not have legal jerseys.

Originally Posted by grunewar

Why does this constantly happen?

It isn't a huge amount but it is cheaper to use 6, 7, 8, and 9 than to use double digits. An extra dollar or so per digit, front and back, on either a reversible jersey or two sets adds up with 10-15 players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It isn't a huge amount but it is cheaper to use 6, 7, 8, and 9 than to use double digits. An extra dollar or so per digit, front and back, on either a reversible jersey or two sets adds up with 10-15 players.

I am sure that is the case, but I did not work a tournament this summer yet (for high school) that kept track of any personal fouls. And team fouls were not tracked the same in many cases either. Some did not even shoot FTs until the last minute or couple minutes of the game. I doubt jersey cost is an issue when leagues are not using those rules as normal in the first place.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It isn't a huge amount but it is cheaper to use 6, 7, 8, and 9 than to use double digits. An extra dollar or so per digit, front and back, on either a reversible jersey or two sets adds up with 10-15 players.

Cameron - Interesting. That's really the first viable explanation I've heard. But, I'll have to keep an eye out to see if I see more 8s and 9s than 72's and 67's.

I know I have a league that only has numbers on the front for this reason. Pain in the butt to try and find a number sometime. But, they have a running clock, so, it's not that big a deal to ask them to turn around.

[BatteryPowered]

I have worked summer leagues where this is an option and I agree that it is a great tool.

However, when it is not an option and an official suggests that you do that it might be a good idea to agree. If not, the next foul on that player just might be flagrant Not saying I would do that...but it could happen.

Would you rather sit the player for a few minutes or sit them for the rest of the game?