Sitting a player down

[Nevadaref]

Depends upon the rules of the summer league.
Some don't track individual fouls, but give the officials the authority to remove a player from the contest for constantly fouling or being overly rough.

[OrStBballRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Depends upon the rules of the summer league.
Some don't track individual fouls, but give the officials the authority to remove a player from the contest for constantly fouling or being overly rough.

I've done this in summer league games where personal fouls aren't tracked. It can be a handy tool when the game gets out of control with no personal fouls.

During the actual season the rules don't allow for this. Closest I come to this during the season is a suggestion to a coach that said player may want to sit for a bit as he/she is crossing a line, but it's up to the coach whether they act on that advice.

[Raymond]

In summer camp, it can happen.

[TimTaylor]

As others have said we don't have the authority to "sit a player down" unless the specific league rules permit it. If the rules don't allow for it, then the best approach is to call the foul.

There have been situations where I have quietly told a coach that #xx was getting out of control and they needed to calm him/her down, and in almost every case the coach took care of it. The vast majority of coaches have been very cooperative in these situations.

However we do have other options if needed, depending on the situation.

Case in point - 4 years ago in a JVB regular season game: Home is up by 20 with about 1:30 left in Q4. Home has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter and as H2 at the elbow extended passes the ball back to H1, V2 comes charging up from the lower block on the lane line and violently pushes H2 off the court into the home bench.

I immediately came up with an intentional foul signal, quickly verified that H2 seemed to be OK then walked past the table telling them I would be with them in a second. I then approached the visiting HC and quietly told him that V2 was completely out of control (the kid had been getting more & more physical over the last couple minutes and calling fouls didn't stop him) and needed to come out of the game before someone really got hurt. The coach gave me a line of crap about it was nothing but good hard defense and he wanted to see more of it.

So I went to the reporting area, and reported a flagrant intentional foul on V2, which I had every justification in doing based on V2's actions. As a result, the kid was suspended and the school was fined. It was probably a mistake to give the coach a chance to handle it, and in hind sight if something like that ever happens again I'll more than likely just go straight to the flagrant.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

As others have said we don't have the authority to "sit a player down" unless the specific league rules permit it. If the rules don't allow for it, then the best approach is to call the foul.

There have been situations where I have quietly told a coach that #xx was getting out of control and they needed to calm him/her down, and in almost every case the coach took care of it. The vast majority of coaches have been very cooperative in these situations.

However we do have other options if needed, depending on the situation.

Case in point - 4 years ago in a JVB regular season game: Home is up by 20 with about 1:30 left in Q4. Home has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter and as H2 at the elbow extended passes the ball back to H1, V2 comes charging up from the lower block on the lane line and violently pushes H2 off the court into the home bench.

I immediately came up with an intentional foul signal, quickly verified that H2 seemed to be OK then walked past the table telling them I would be with them in a second. I then approached the visiting HC and quietly told him that V2 was completely out of control (the kid had been getting more & more physical over the last couple minutes and calling fouls didn't stop him) and needed to come out of the game before someone really got hurt. The coach gave me a line of crap about it was nothing but good hard defense and he wanted to see more of it.

So I went to the reporting area, and reported a flagrant intentional foul on V2, which I had every justification in doing based on V2's actions. As a result, the kid was suspended and the school was fined. It was probably a mistake to give the coach a chance to handle it, and in hind sight if something like that ever happens again I'll more than likely just go straight to the flagrant.

1. When a player commits an act of violence, the proper penalty is a flagrant foul.
2. There is no such thing as a "flagrant intentional foul." A foul is either intentional or flagrant, but cannot be both.
3. Your last sentence is the correct way to handle this. (flagrant personal foul)

[APG]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

Is this your god complex talking or can it be justified by a rule somewhere?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Greatly amusing that a guy with only 23 posts picked up on that right away.

This statement was qualified under the assumption that it's a summer league game that doesn't keep track of fouls/DQ's/ejections, and you both damn well know it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

This statement was qualified under the assumption that it's a summer league game that doesn't keep track of fouls/DQ's/ejections you both damn well know it.

Teams during the summer do not have legal jerseys, but I guess some fool thinks we penalize those too by the rules?

Oh well.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Teams during the summer do not have legal jerseys,

Why does this constantly happen?

[BatteryPowered]

I have worked summer leagues where this is an option and I agree that it is a great tool.

However, when it is not an option and an official suggests that you do that it might be a good idea to agree. If not, the next foul on that player just might be flagrant Not saying I would do that...but it could happen.

Would you rather sit the player for a few minutes or sit them for the rest of the game?