put ball in play across the lane?

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If teams are that inflexible, they probably are not very good coaches in the first place. And I am glad the NF does not advocate moving the ball over to the other side on a bounce. It looks lazy to me and we should move if it is that darn serious.

In 20 years I have only seen one coach even make such a request and that coach did not communicate his intentions very well. His team was never that good and it did not surprise me for reasons like this issue being an issue in the first place.

Peace

I had a game several years ago where the coach asked for the inbound spot to be moved to the other side of the basket. This was legal as the team had the end line to run. The coach didn't make the request until the team was already out and we were almost ready to go.

So I had to move over and get the new L and C to adjust. This took some time for them to recognize and understand what was happening, which gave the defense quite a bit of additional time to set up.

The coach of he inbounding team was unhappy that the defense had this extra time to match up, but it was his own fault for insisting we inbound on the opposite side.

There's little benefit to moving to the other side, but if the team asks I will always do it and force the L and C to adjust. It's really not that big of a deal. I do not bounce the ball across the lane.

I think the ncaa women's mechanic allows the bounce across (or at least it did at one point). Someone that works ncaa-w please correct me if I'm wrong.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I think the ncaa women's mechanic allows the bounce across (or at least it did at one point). Someone that works ncaa-w please correct me if I'm wrong.

NBA and NCAA-W will have the lead bounce it across.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

NBA and NCAA-W will have the lead bounce it across.

That seems like a really long bounce for a backcourt throwin.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That seems like a really long bounce for a backcourt throwin.

Please refer to the visual aid

In NCAAW if the backcourt throw-in spot opposite the new T is anywhere from the first cone to the end of the arrow (i.e., inside the three-point arc), we step into the area between the lane lines, bounce the ball, then step back...even if there's defensive pressure.

If the throw-in spot is where the second cone is - outside the three-point arc - we balance the floor.

Having done it, it's not so bad. If there's no pressure there's really no need to be over there. If there is, the C stays in the backcourt to help.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Please refer to the visual aid

In NCAAW if the backcourt throw-in spot opposite the new T is anywhere from the first cone to the end of the arrow (i.e., inside the three-point arc), we step into the area between the lane lines, bounce the ball, then step back...even if there's defensive pressure.

If the throw-in spot is where the second cone is - outside the three-point arc - we balance the floor.

Having done it, it's not so bad. If there's no pressure there's really no need to be over there. If there is, the C stays in the backcourt to help.

All good, but he said the "lead" was bouncing the ball to the thrower....and the "lead" in that diagram is about 70 feet away.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All good, but he said the "lead" was bouncing the ball to the thrower....and the "lead" in that diagram is about 70 feet away.

Shut up

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All good, but he said the "lead" was bouncing the ball to the thrower....and the "lead" in that diagram is about 70 feet away.

I'm not paid to read, you know...

At least I explained it correctly, even if I didn't answer the question

And I got to use my cool graphics so I'm happy regardless.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I had a game several years ago where the coach asked for the inbound spot to be moved to the other side of the basket. This was legal as the team had the end line to run. The coach didn't make the request until the team was already out and we were almost ready to go.

So I had to move over and get the new L and C to adjust. This took some time for them to recognize and understand what was happening, which gave the defense quite a bit of additional time to set up.

The coach of he inbounding team was unhappy that the defense had this extra time to match up, but it was his own fault for insisting we inbound on the opposite side.

There's little benefit to moving to the other side, but if the team asks I will always do it and force the L and C to adjust. It's really not that big of a deal. I do not bounce the ball across the lane.

When this happened to me, I had a player ask for me right after a basket was made after a final free throw (I was the Lead), "Can I take the ball to the other side?" I said "Sure, you can run over there." I thought he was only asking about his ability to run the end line. And there was a substitution which was the only reason I was administering the throw-in at all.

When I gave the player the ball, as I was coming up by the bench (it was the first half) the coach started yelling, "Read the rulebook....read the rulebook....read the rulebook." By the third one of those, I gave a technical foul. Now it was like a 2 or 3 point game at the time and all that did was take the ball out of their hand and give it to the other team.

I later had an assistant coach come to me and tell me that they wanted the ball to actually be taken to the opposite side of the lane and that other officials apparently allowed this to happen. Then after the game, the coach wrote a letter to the assignor telling me how much I needed to be a better officials by his so-called vast experience as a coach. When I even discussed they situation with my partners after the game or half-time, they were very confused by the request and said they would have wondered what the heck I would be doing if I went to the other side. It might have taken several seconds to recognize the switch.

And to emphasize how silly this coach was, I have not seen him since or never saw that program have any success since (which he clearly is not there anymore).

And the fact you said that the coach was mad because it took time and the defense was allowed to set up, tells me how silly coaches can be. They think they can tell us what to do and we just follow without having responsibilities.

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I think the ncaa women's mechanic allows the bounce across (or at least it did at one point). Someone that works ncaa-w please correct me if I'm wrong.

I know nothing about NCAA Women's Mechanics other than what I hear or read occasionally. But the few games I have watched I never see officials do this. I am not sure why, but that appears to be something that is not practiced very often.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know nothing about NCAA Women's Mechanics other than what I hear or read occasionally. But the few games I have watched I never see officials do this. I am not sure why, but that appears to be something that is not practiced very often.

Peace

See ^^^

Trust me, we do it every game. As often as possible

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

See ^^^

Trust me, we do it every game. As often as possible

I can say when I watch NCAA or lower level college games, I cannot recall seeing it done. Maybe it is those in your areas that want to do it and others that choose not to. Just like any mechanic that involves people all over the country, officials do not all do things with the same level of emphasis.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Made basket. Dead ball timeout immediately after the ball passes through the basket. There will be a run the endline throwin after the timeout.

Where does the administering official put the ball in play?

I have never seen this addressed in any mechanics manual, either IAABO, or NFHS.

If I'm the administering official, I just put it in play on the side that I was on as the old lead (becoming new trail), either table side, or opposite table side, when the timeout was requested. I was never taught to do it this way, it just seemed natural.

I've had partners who have put the ball in play on the side opposite from where their partner is standing (two person Connecticut), administer on the our table side if it was a sixty second timeout, administer on the opposite table side if it was a thirty second timeout. I'm not as comfortable doing this, but I'm flexible, and will go along with my partner.

How could the NFHS, or IAABO, have gone this far, after decades of fiddling around, trying to improve mechanics guidelines, and not have come up with a mechanic guideline to cover this procedure? I know that they cannot cover every single possibility, but it seems like they should have, at least, covered this.

One thing that we have to do, here in my little corner of Connecticut, according to our mechanics guidelines, is to stand, during the timeout, with the ball, at the spot where we will administer the throwin after the timeout. If we need to leave that spot to confer with partner, we are instructed to leave the ball at that spot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How could the NFHS, or IAABO, have gone this far, after decades of fiddling around, trying to improve mechanics guidelines, and not have come up with a mechanic guideline to cover this procedure? I know that they cannot cover every single possibility, but it seems like they should have, at least, covered this.

No one has ever cared. Obviously the only people that care are a couple of coaches that obviously have too much to worry about as the vast majority of coaches never cared either way, because they coach their players to do whatever we do in this situation.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

One thing that we have to do, here in my little corner of Connecticut, according to our mechanics guidelines, is to stand, during the timeout, with the ball, at the spot where we will administer the throwin after the timeout. If we need to leave that spot to confer with partner, we are instructed to leave the ball at that spot.

That is the NF mechanic too. But again, mechanics are guidelines not hard fast rules.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... mechanics are guidelines not hard fast rules.

From your post (and many previous posts, in many previous threads), mechanics sound like they are not hard fast rules where you officiate, and that's fine, where you officiate; but mechanics (and signals) are hard fast rules here in my little corner of Connecticut. Cadets (rookie officials) are taught IAABO mechanics, utilizing both the written manual, and floor training, and all officials are expected to use them, and to do otherwise may negatively impact one's ratings, ranking, and the number, and level of games, that one is assigned. This will impact rookie officials, and veteran officials, alike.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Made basket. Dead ball timeout immediately after the ball passes through the basket. There will be a run the endline throwin after the timeout.

Where does the administering official put the ball in play?

I have never seen this addressed in any mechanics manual, either IAABO, or NFHS.

If I'm the administering official, I just put it in play on the side that I was on as the old lead (becoming new trail), either table side, or opposite table side, when the timeout was requested. I was never taught to do it this way, it just seemed natural.

I've had partners who have put the ball in play on the side opposite from where their partner is standing (two person Connecticut), administer on the our table side if it was a sixty second timeout, administer on the opposite table side if it was a thirty second timeout. I'm not as comfortable doing this, but I'm flexible, and will go along with my partner.

How could the NFHS, or IAABO, have gone this far, after decades of fiddling around, trying to improve mechanics guidelines, and not have come up with a mechanic guideline to cover this procedure? I know that they cannot cover every single possibility, but it seems like they should have, at least, covered this.

One thing that we have to do, here in my little corner of Connecticut, according to our mechanics guidelines, is to stand, during the timeout, with the ball, at the spot where we will administer the throwin after the timeout. If we need to leave that spot to confer with partner, we are instructed to leave the ball at that spot.

We go opposite the table. As our state is mostly 2 man, the official admistering the time out is at half court it just makes sense to keep him on the table side.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Made basket. Dead ball timeout immediately after the ball passes through the basket. There will be a run the endline throwin after the timeout.

Where does the administering official put the ball in play?

I have never seen this addressed in any mechanics manual, either IAABO, or NFHS.

If I'm the administering official, I just put it in play on the side that I was on as the old lead (becoming new trail), either table side, or opposite table side, when the timeout was requested. I was never taught to do it this way, it just seemed natural.

I've had partners who have put the ball in play on the side opposite from where their partner is standing (two person Connecticut), administer on the our table side if it was a sixty second timeout, administer on the opposite table side if it was a thirty second timeout. I'm not as comfortable doing this, but I'm flexible, and will go along with my partner.

How could the NFHS, or IAABO, have gone this far, after decades of fiddling around, trying to improve mechanics guidelines, and not have come up with a mechanic guideline to cover this procedure? I know that they cannot cover every single possibility, but it seems like they should have, at least, covered this.

One thing that we have to do, here in my little corner of Connecticut, according to our mechanics guidelines, is to stand, during the timeout, with the ball, at the spot where we will administer the throwin after the timeout. If we need to leave that spot to confer with partner, we are instructed to leave the ball at that spot.

Interestingly, an observer just had a discussion about this with a few of us at an NCAAW's camp. Now this is 3-person but he said for an endline throw-in following a timeout after a made/awarded FG/FT it's not a bad idea to position ourselves so the administering official is table-side. Why? It gives everyone a good view of the benches/coaches since the C is looking right at them and both the L and T are right next to them.

As for conferring with partners during a timeout, NCAAW mechanics call for the non-administering officials to go to the the administering official if we need to talk. That way both benches (should) know where the throw-in spot is and it keeps us (hopefully) from forgetting the spot.