PC signal sequence

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Airborne shooter has released the ball, ending team control, but then plows into a defender's torso, a defender that has obtained a legal guarding position. No team control but there is still player control.

An airborne shooter is not in player control as (s)he is not holding or dribbling a live ball. An airborne shooter may commit a player control foul, however.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

An airborne shooter is not in player control as (s)he is not holding or dribbling a live ball. An airborne shooter may commit a player control foul, however.

Good point. I fixed my post.

A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while
he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

An airborne shooter is not in player control as (s)he is not holding or dribbling a live ball. An airborne shooter may commit a player control foul, however.

It is indeed a paradox. But I think the rules and case books do a pretty good job of explaining that an airborne shooter is considered to be in player control for purposes of applying the rule in a particular situation.

Not an issue in the NCAAM rule set where this preference/caveat was eliminated. But the existence of the RA renders this a moot point in most of the cases where it otherwise would apply.

Also, for what it's worth, I punch on a PC foul. When I move forward to report it, then I'll give the "behind the head" signal with one hand while I punch with the other, just so the benches and table are clear it was a PC foul. But the OP was sort of right...it's hard to sell the call at the spot with the cheesy mechanics provided by the manual.

[constable]

If you are following the book verbatim. Fist up. Head behind the head. Then point direction.

If you realize that the PC signal is the most useless thing in basketball. Fist up- fist out. There may or may not be an increase in the amount of whistles when calling said offensive foul.

In a HS game I'll give the proper PC signal at the table.

Originally Posted by constable

If you are following the book verbatim. Fist up. Head behind the head. Then point direction.

I don't believe the NFHS Officials Manual says anything about pointing the direction. Going literally from the signal sheet, the sequence would be fist-hand behind head-point to spot of resulting inbound-go to table.

[Texas Aggie]

Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.

Do you say all that for every report or just for PC fouls so as to eliminate any possibility of confusion?

[constable]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.

Why do you say twenty-five at the spot and then two-five at the table?

Many camps,clinicians, and manuals suggest using the full number ( twenty-five in this case) whenever you give a number.

[OKREF]

The NFHS mechanic is whistle, fist, hand behind the head, and then point the other way. All with same hand. No punch at all

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.

*I follow the procedure described by this post (above)--no need for me to conjure up a modified mechanic. Only exception is that I will say
"white, twenty-five". Instead of saying "white, 2 - 5". However, the score table will always verbally verify that I am saying 'player number 25 instead of "player number 2 and/or player number 5". So, this is a minute detail dictated more by training than tenet.

[constable]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*I follow the procedure described by this post (above)--no need for me to conjure up a modified mechanic. Only exception is that I will say
"white, twenty-five". Instead of saying "white, 2 - 5". However, the score table will always verbally verify that I am saying 'player number 25 instead of "player number 2 and/or player number 5". So, this is a minute detail dictated more by training than tenet.

Don't say 2-5. Say twenty five.

[#olderthanilook]

Good discussion....

I blow once with fist in air, then point with open palm in oppo direction while saying "playing control". Then point to spot of throw in.

When reporting to table, I put my hand behind my head after reporting color and number. Then point to throw in spot.

I'm trying working hard on several things this summer, one which is to use the proper mechanic when I blow - not just at the table.

[NNJOfficial]

Stopping the clock with a raised fist and then signaling the direction of the ball while placing a hand behind your head is the proper NFHS mechanic and if you are new and/or being evaluated a a HS official, that's what you should do.
That being said, most veteran officials adopt a variation of the NBA style fist punch. If I do that, I give the proper PC foul signal when I report to the table.

Using a multiple whistle for a player control foul is a way to make it clear, particularly to your partners, that you are calling a PC foul. Block = single whistle and charge = multiple whistle. This is not a rule, this is simply a matter of personal preference and are one of the little nuances that help show your command of the game.

The proper mechanic for a team control foul is to give the normal raised fist foul signal and then to drop the fist so that it is facing forward. The proper mechanic is not a punch. Again, most officials have either adopted the punch or give the raised fist foul signal and point in the direction of the ball. Again, a multiple whistle helps signal what you are calling, but is by no means a requisite.