dunking in the warmups

[constable]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

The rationale is that warmups aren't meant to be an entertainment show. Also takes away the possibility of breaking the rim or backboard before the game even starts.

Disagree if you want, but that is the reasoning.

I figured as much. I don't have a problem with the preservation of the rims and backboards, but I disagree with the rest of the rationale.

I think it is NFHS interjecting themselves when they don't need to. There is nothing wrong with one team intimidating the other.

Many of our top flight tournaments waive the rule.

[BryanV21]

Perhaps it's just curiousity as to why the rule exists, but if it's anything other than that I ask you this...

Why is dunking in warm-ups being illegal a problem? Dunking is not necessary, whether it's in pre-game or during the game, anyway. If the team needs to dunk to get pumped up, then that's a problem. And if the crowd needs the team to dunk to get pumped up... who cares? The game isn't about them.

[so cal lurker]

The no-dunking rule came in *long* before springed rims and even break-away rims. Part of the logic was protecting the rims. With modern rims, not as much chance- though there are occasional incidents. I suspect the rule remains for two reasons. Some coaches are worried about their smallest teams being intimidated and some coaches are worried about their team thinking more about dunking than getting ready for the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

With modern rims, not as much chance- though there are occasional incidents.

How many high schools (not college, or professional) in anybody's local area would be able to fix this (below) that night, in time to start, or finish a game?

In almost all cases, I'm sure that there would be a postponement, and that no more basketball would be played there that night.

[DRJ1960]

Rumor has it...

A few years ago here in Central Virginia the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence. The refs that told me that shared that the noise from the gym was deafening. True home court advantage.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The prohibition of dunking a dead ball was adopted by the NBCoUS&C (now the NFHS and NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committees) back in the late 1960s: The rule originally prohibited the dunking of the ball during the game and pre-game dunking was allowed. The rule changed in the early 1970s so that dunking a live ball was allowed and dunking a dead ball was not allowed. The reason for not allowing the ball to be dunked in both cases was a safety rule.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... The rule changed in the early 1970s so that dunking a live ball was allowed and dunking a dead ball was not allowed. The reason for not allowing the ball to be dunked in both cases was a safety rule.

MTD, Sr.

It wasn't the early 70's that the rule was changed, it was 1976. I remember Marques Johnson of UCLA being the first great college dunker after the rule change.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Rumor has it...

A few years ago here in Central Virginia the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence. The refs that told me that shared that the noise from the gym was deafening. True home court advantage.

The schools can "ask" all they want but my partner(s) and I will be on the court at the time required by the rules and proper mechanics.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

A few years ago here in Central Virginia the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence.

Our brother, and sister, officials in Texas sound their whistles before entering the visual confines of the court to warn players to stop any pregame dunking that might be occurring.

I wonder if they do this for a middle school girls game?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Our brother, and sister, officials in Texas sound their whistles before entering the visual confines of the court to warn players to stop any pregame dunking that might be occurring.



I wonder if they do this for a middle school girls game?

Just another case where game management doesn't do its job and the officials are the bad guys.

Why do they need us to enforce this at all? Aren't the coaches and administrators adults?

"Hey, don't dunk."

That said, I'd be thrilled to not come out till 12 minutes or so. In our state, we take the floor at 20 minutes...

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Rumor has it...

A few years ago here in Central Virginia the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence. The refs that told me that shared that the noise from the gym was deafening. True home court advantage.

You didn't mention whether or not the officials actually adhered to the request, but game administration wouldn't be dictating when I enter the court.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

... the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence.

Good luck to those guys to take care of any scorebook problems before the ten minute mark, and possibly preventing some technical fouls.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Rumor has it...

A few years ago here in Central Virginia the refs were "asked" to stay in their locker room in a few schools until two minutes were left in warm-ups so that the players could dunk without consequence. The refs that told me that shared that the noise from the gym was deafening. True home court advantage.

And if one of the players had been injured the schools/parents would have...sued the officials for not being on the court at the prescribed time.

[Scrapper1]

My old HS interpreter used to tell a story about the pre-game dunking rule. I don't remember any of the details -- dates, schools involved -- but I'll give you the general story.

A game was scheduled for two college teams. But the visiting team's campus had been ravaged by an outbreak of some flu or virus something. The basketball team's players were all sick. So the AD calls the home school and asks to reschedule.

The home school AD realizes that his team can grab an easy win and so says that the game can't be rescheduled. They have to come and play on the original date.

So the visiting team loads up and drives to the game site. They come out on the floor with 5 players for warm-ups. And the first kid in the lay-up line dunks, hangs, and rips the ring off the board.

They turned around and headed back to the locker room and the game was rescheduled.

The next season dunking in pre-game was banned.

I have NO idea if that story is true at all. But I love it and hope it's true.