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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:56am
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Looked like a good call to me. Defender was there. The announcer's comment was that the defender was still moving. Since Davis wasn't airborne, he can be moving as long as he gets to the spot first.
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:59pm
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:17pm
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Block...never got into the path and was moving towards the opponent at the time of contact.
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:38pm
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I have a block too - he never stops moving left and into the dribbler. I see no LGP here ever.
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:58pm
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Throw in another vote for "block"
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:51pm
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Get the first foul

I know its the NBA so this logic probably doesn't apply but if the ref had called the foul by Wht 9 as Blk 1 was dribbling into the lane then the block/charge debate would be nonexistant. Call it a hand check or a hold but the contact by #9 causes the loose ball that put the offensive team at a disadvantage by limiting the dribblers movements, preventing him from taking his path to the goal, and almost resulted in a turn over.

This is why we should always get the first foul. It will not only help control the game but in many cases, just like this one, the offense is unfairly punished when they get called for the foul that follows.
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Old Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:57pm
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I know its the NBA so this logic probably doesn't apply but if the ref had called the foul by Wht 9 as Blk 1 was dribbling into the lane then the block/charge debate would be nonexistant. Call it a hand check or a hold but the contact by #9 causes the loose ball that put the offensive team at a disadvantage by limiting the dribblers movements, preventing him from taking his path to the goal, and almost resulted in a turn over.

This is why we should always get the first foul. It will not only help control the game but in many cases, just like this one, the offense is unfairly punished when they get called for the foul that follows.
Yes, I think a late whistle once he lost the ball wouldn't have been a bad call.
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Old Wed Apr 22, 2015, 02:28pm
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I see no LGP here ever.
At 0:16 into the video, LGP is established:

1) both feet touching the playing court

2) front of torso facing the opponent


I don't think it's "definitely a block" as some have said. In the moment, and my first instinct, I almost certainly would have called a block based on the overhead view, but I'm not sure that would be right. I think there is room for healthy debate here.

At 0:17, W5's left foot had beaten B23 to the spot. W5's left leg was within the width of his torso (are we initially being fooled by his right foot being left outside his shoulder width to the right?). B23 never gets his head and shoulders around W5's torso when contact occurs. I may have talked myself into PC.

Anybody else think this may be PC, and why?
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Old Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:12pm
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At 0:16 into the video, LGP is established:

1) both feet touching the playing court

2) front of torso facing the opponent


I don't think it's "definitely a block" as some have said. In the moment, and my first instinct, I almost certainly would have called a block based on the overhead view, but I'm not sure that would be right. I think there is room for healthy debate here.

At 0:17, W5's left foot had beaten B23 to the spot. W5's left leg was within the width of his torso (are we initially being fooled by his right foot being left outside his shoulder width to the right?). B23 never gets his head and shoulders around W5's torso when contact occurs. I may have talked myself into PC.

Anybody else think this may be PC, and why?
I agree with you that is not a cut-n-dry block. I do not see the defender moving into A1, I see lateral movement by the defender. Who got to the spot first, and was LGP ever established?
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Old Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:45pm
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I agree with you that is not a cut-n-dry block. I do not see the defender moving into A1, I see lateral movement by the defender. Who got to the spot first, and was LGP ever established?
I see it the way you do, but I don't think he established LGP because he wasn't in the path of the dribbler.
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