The 9-step pivot

[Rich]

You want to use your example to prove a point and I want to use mine. Both are violations.

The travel - he's not using the footwork to gain any advantage whatsoever.

I agree this is one nobody wants to miss, mainly because of the press this is getting, but I find it really hard to get bent out of shape over this stuff.


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[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Rich

You want to use your example to prove a point and I want to use mine. Both are violations.

The travel - he's not using the footwork to gain any advantage whatsoever.

I agree this is one nobody wants to miss, mainly because of the press this is getting, but I find it really hard to get bent out of shape over this stuff.


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I think I'd argue he's actually gaining an advantage. The common thought of advantage is probably position with respect to the hoop, but he was looking to pass from minute one. First off, he probably traveled initially which got him out of the key, preventing a 3 second violation or forced quicker pass, which is an advantage to him on that play. Second, he continued to back up, giving him an increasingly better view of the court to pass from.

So in this case, I think he traveled AND there was an advantage in positioning gained.

[Kansas Ref]

All in all, this is probably a great "Training Video" for novice NBA refs who are migrating from NFHS or NCAA into NBA or NBDL as it teaches them how to ingnore egregious travel violations---admittedly, it will take a long time for novice NBA refs to pass on making that call.

Originally Posted by frezer11

I think I'd argue he's actually gaining an advantage. The common thought of advantage is probably position with respect to the hoop, but he was looking to pass from minute one. First off, he probably traveled initially which got him out of the key, preventing a 3 second violation or forced quicker pass, which is an advantage to him on that play. Second, he continued to back up, giving him an increasingly better view of the court to pass from.

So in this case, I think he traveled AND there was an advantage in positioning gained.

While this might constitute advantage in your mind, the NBA would probably not agree.

[APG]

It's simply a missed call...no more, no less. This is a play that the league would want called regularly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

It's simply a missed call...no more, no less. This is a play that the league would want called regularly.

Exactly. I never said it shouldn't be called. I just said that I can see how they missed it.