Portland vs Golden State Blarge (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Same as that PC foul they called on Wisky late in the game vs. UK that I didn't like that was made by the Lead. Trail has a better angle at on that play because he can see between A1 and the defender with whom the contact occurred.

I'm not sure if you're saying you have a PC or a block on this one but the two plays are not alike. The defender in this on is moving towards the opponent at contact.

[mutantducky]

block, defender was late.
credit to us refs that there aren't more of these calls. It seems like there easily could be.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not sure if you're saying you have a PC or a block on this one but the two plays are not alike. The defender in this on is moving towards the opponent at contact.

Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

[Zoochy]

How did the NBA officials rule this play? administer both fouls?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

How did the NBA officials rule this play? administer both fouls?

Double foul...no points are scored. Resume play with a jump ball at center court between any two opponents on the floor at the time of the foul. Shot clock is reset to 24.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

OK, maybe I have the wrong play in mind from the UW/UK game....there were a few to choose from.

I agree with your analysis here.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

I disagree on this play...I think the lead has just as good a look on the play as the trail would...but with the added benefit of being able to pick up the secondary defender a lot earlier than the trail...plus the trail still has the primary defender to worry about on this play.

As to the actual call on the play...correct call is a block...so the trail had the correct call. But mechanically speaking, this is the lead's call all the way and he should have the primary whistle and signal on the play. Even if the trail wants to put a whistle on the play, HE has to be the one to withhold a preliminary.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

I disagree on this play...I think the lead has just as good a look on the play as the trail would...but with the added benefit of being able to pick up the secondary defender a lot earlier than the trail...plus the trail still has the primary defender to worry about on this play.

As to the actual call on the play...correct call is a block...so the trail had the correct call. But mechanically speaking, this is the lead's call all the way and he should have the primary whistle and signal on the play. Even if the trail wants to put a whistle on the play, HE has to be the one to withhold a preliminary.

I disagree with your disagreement.

Because of how high this contact occurs, in addition to not being entirely in the paint, I feel the Trail has the best look. Even though it is a secondary defender, his angle allows him to see the secondary defenders movements in regards to legality. Since B2 never got into A1's path, it was as much as a push with the shoulder as it was a block.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I disagree with your disagreement.

Because of how high this contact occurs, in addition to not being entirely in the paint, I feel the Trail has the best look. Even though it is a secondary defender, his angle allows him to see the secondary defenders movements in regards to legality.

I think that the Trail has the better look on this particular play because the defender is moving from his right to his left. This is taking him away from the Lead. It seems that this movement is hard to observe from the Lead's position as the movement is parallel to his line of vision. That makes it difficult to tell how much the player was still in motion when the contact occurred.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In my opinion the Portland defender is moving towards the offensive player at the time of the contact.

I thought the same thing.