Gonzaga vs Duke Push with ball (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is "ball to opponent" interpreted as contact? I would think so.

I need more than you saying this on this board. I need an official ruling and mostly from my state people. This has never been addressed directly.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Unsporting? Probably not because it must be noncontact.

As said before, what would you call otherwise if someone through a ball or hit an opponent with the ball? I know I am calling a T.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Technical? Probably not because it must be noncontact, and if deemed flagrant, or intentional, the ball must be dead.

I guess we have to call fouls for a blocked shot if you knock a player down if they only touched the basketball. After all, why treat contact with the ball any different? If it is all the same, then your logic we cannot differentiate unless we are making up our own standards of when the rules are applied right?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It probably comes down to how one defines contact. Must it be player to player contact, or can it be ball to player contact?

Based on how one defines contact determines whether one should charge a personal foul, or a technical foul.

Well without some interpretations, I think you are making a leap. If the NF says that is a foul, that is one thing. But you or I saying it is is a totally different thing. And it would be hard if no one else is seeing the rule application that way and has no way to back it up other than personal feelings. We get on people on this site for not following the rules, but your position is not following the rules. IF someone said, "I am not calling that" why is your position any better if there is no specific rules support.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well without some interpretations, I think you are making a leap.

I haven't made the leap yet. I'm asking questions, and giving some possible answers.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I haven't made the leap yet. I'm asking questions, and giving some possible answers.

I cannot make that leap at all based on an internet discussion board conversation. I need some support on this one. And since there is no rules saying you are right, I have to do nothing in a situation I have never seen personally.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... no rules saying you are right ...

Right? I've been hedging on this throughout the entire thread.

One thing that you are 100% right about JRutledge: I too would love to get a NFHS interpretation on this situation.

Note: Right now I'm leaning toward unsporting technical foul, but I may change my mind again after I sleep on it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Right? I've been hedging on this throughout the entire thread.

One thing that you are 100% right about JRutledge: I too would love to get a NFHS interpretation on this situation.

Note: Right now I'm leaning toward unsporting technical foul, but I may change my mind again after I sleep on it.

I would not call a T unless it was forceful contact. Just like I would not call a T just because a player throws the ball off another player to save the ball. That is basketball unless it is done purposely to hurt or harm. To me if you are pushed with the ball and cannot make a play on the ball, then so be it for you.

Peace

[just another ref]

10-6-1: A player shall not ....push........by extending arms......


The fact that this player is holding the basketball is not significant. It is a personal foul.

There is no comparison between the OP and a player deliberately throwing the ball at another player.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

10-6-1: A player shall not ....push........by extending arms......


The fact that this player is holding the basketball is not significant. It is a personal foul.

There is no comparison between the OP and a player deliberately throwing the ball at another player.

When you give us a Casebook Play, I might accept that. Otherwise you are using your standard, not the one everyone agrees with that interpretation.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

10-6-1: A player shall not ....push........by extending arms......


The fact that this player is holding the basketball is not significant. It is a personal foul.

There is no comparison between the OP and a player deliberately throwing the ball at another player.

It reads "by extending arms," not by extending the ball.

[BillyMac]

Final answer: Technical foul, as long as everyone considers the situation to be a noncontact situation. It's noncontact, but it's still gonna hurt.

Am I right?

If not, can I try again?