UCLA vs. SMU (Video)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Which is why I've acknowledged that I can see how it was made in real-time. I just don't feel like the replays support the call.

The replays support the call.

Shot in downward path (CHECK)
Shot above rim (CHECK)
Shot have a chance to go in (can't say for certainty yes or no so CHECK)

All conditions met. Goaltending. No matter how many times you keep saying the same thing over and over again it won't make it true. Just like your lack of knowledge of rules and application of rules.

You are a fanboy and are acting like that. Until someone says what you want to hear you wont hear anything except that you know it all and are right.

We don't have the luxury of making calls based on what may be the best expected outcome.

[dahoopref]

This exact situation occurred to me in a college tournament in December.

I was the L (table side), 3 pt shot came from C area and the ball barely passed over on the way down when the defender grabbed the ball even with the rim. The C & I knew the ball did not have a chance to go in but the T called goaltending because (according to him) his angle justified his call at the time.

I gathered the crew after the whistle and asked them what they saw. We explained to the T what we saw and he knew he made a mistake.

We rectified the call by ruling "inadvertent whistle" and resumed play at the POI when the defender had the ball to keep possession.

Our conference commissioner and supervisor were in the stands and supported our ruling.

The entire crew ended up working the conference tournament a few weeks ago.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

This exact situation occurred to me in a college tournament in December.

I was the L (table side), 3 pt shot came from C area and the ball barely passed over on the way down when the defender grabbed the ball even with the rim. The C & I knew the ball did not have a chance to go in but the T called goaltending because (according to him) his angle justified his call at the time.

I gathered the crew after the whistle and asked them what they saw. We explained to the T what we saw and he knew he made a mistake.

We rectified the call by ruling "inadvertent whistle" and resumed play at the POI when the defender had the ball to keep possession.

Our conference commissioner and supervisor were in the stands and supported our ruling.

The entire crew ended up working the conference tournament a few weeks ago.

Why are you - as Lead - looking above the rim on a try?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Why are you - as Lead - looking above the rim on a try?

Maybe he was watching the rebounder and not the rim and saw the rebound catch the ball at a point not above the rim?

Originally Posted by dahoopref

We rectified the call by ruling "inadvertent whistle" and resumed play at the POI when the defender had the ball to keep possession.

Wouldn't the POI be rebounding action which would go to the arrow? Or are you saying the guy who "goaltended" ended up with possession?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wouldn't the POI be rebounding action which would go to the arrow? Or are you saying the guy who "goaltended" ended up with possession?

Depends on where the ball was when the whistle blew.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wouldn't the POI be rebounding action which would go to the arrow? Or are you saying the guy who "goaltended" ended up with possession?

If the defender caught the ball, no. It would have been in possession when the whistle sounded. If the defender merely tapped the ball and the whistle blew, then yes, POI would lead to using the arrow.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Well, either you don't understand the rule or your idea of possibility of entering the basket is off.

If it is coming down such that it will hit the rim, it has some chance of going in even if that chance is very small. The defender has to leave it alone until after it his and bounces back out or is CLEARLY going to fall short of the rim.

Does an offensive teammate have to leave it alone ,also?

[zm1283]

A "Chance to go in" doesn't mean "It is going to go in".

I thought it was a great call. Maybe if it had no chance of going in, SMU should have left it alone and just rebounded it. Why else would you jump up and bat a three pointer away from the rim?

[Toren]

I thought live it was a great call. Although I did not know who made the call. As I replayed it in my mind, I knew the only official who had an angle was on the shooter and there was lots of bodies by the shooter.

I read someone said the table side trail made the call? I can't confirm that but if that's true...while it was a great call, it was also lucky as can be. It was pure and simply a guess. Sometimes better to be lucky than good. Although in this case the calling official was lucky and good.

[BryanV21]

Look at it from the other side.

If the GT was not called, UCLA could very well have a beef of their own, and we'd be giving the officials a hard time about it. Or some of us may be giving the officials a hard time. And the fact is their beef would be justified. Maybe not right, but justified.

Everybody tends to see things from the victim's angle, but rarely sees things the other way. And doing so can help you see things clearly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I thought live it was a great call. Although I did not know who made the call. As I replayed it in my mind, I knew the only official who had an angle was on the shooter and there was lots of bodies by the shooter.

I read someone said the table side trail made the call? I can't confirm that but if that's true...while it was a great call, it was also lucky as can be. It was pure and simply a guess. Sometimes better to be lucky than good. Although in this case the calling official was lucky and good.

Antinio Petty was the trail and made the call. Seems like he would have the best angle, IMO.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Officials sometimes decide a call by who was in the right place and who was in the wrong place. The SMU player should not have been playing the ball above the basket in this situation. When you do that, you now are at the mercy of the official's judgment.

[bballref3966]

"How does the official who was furthest away from the ball make that call?"

Fans and analysts are so funny.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Antinio Petty was the trail and made the call. Seems like he would have the best angle, IMO.

Table Side correct?

That's not the best angle.

The best angle is opposite the table from where the shot originated from. From the table side, you can only see if the ball is on its downward flight, you could not see if it was over the cylinder.