BYU / OLE MISS Held Ball vs 10 Second Violation (Video)

[chymechowder]

I didnt see the Trail doing a visible count. Is NCAA mechanic not to do a count--just to go off of the shot clock?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

I didnt see the Trail doing a visible count. Is NCAA mechanic not to do a count--just to go off of the shot clock?

Yes, for a couple of seasons now, except when the shot clock is turned off.

[STFD]

Interesting play. I've got a 10s violation. Not sure if white had possession near the division line, but I would trust the shot clock operator here. On the action near the free throw line, I think the best choice is the violation. It's not clear that white had possession and if he did have control, I would bet that he's asking for a time out (although we can't see from the video) - seems kind of unfair to not grant white the timeout AND reset the shot clock. In any case, like others have said, we can't have a held ball with 25s on the SC. Plus, looking at the play subjectively, blue deserved a turnover here. Unless white clearly has control, we shouldn't have a reset.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by STFD

Interesting play. I've got a 10s violation. Not sure if white had possession near the division line, but I would trust the shot clock operator here. On the action near the free throw line, I think the best choice is the violation. It's not clear that white had possession and if he did have control, I would bet that he's asking for a time out (although we can't see from the video) - seems kind of unfair to not grant white the timeout AND reset the shot clock. In any case, like others have said, we can't have a held ball with 25s on the SC. Plus, looking at the play subjectively, blue deserved a turnover here. Unless white clearly has control, we shouldn't have a reset.

That's not up to the shot clock operator, though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by STFD

Interesting play. I've got a 10s violation. Not sure if white had possession near the division line, but I would trust the shot clock operator here. On the action near the free throw line, I think the best choice is the violation. It's not clear that white had possession and if he did have control, I would bet that he's asking for a time out (although we can't see from the video) - seems kind of unfair to not grant white the timeout AND reset the shot clock. In any case, like others have said, we can't have a held ball with 25s on the SC. Plus, looking at the play subjectively, blue deserved a turnover here. Unless white clearly has control, we shouldn't have a reset.

Neither White nor Blue deserve anything on this play but the proper adjudication of team control rules. Ole Miss had the ball in their possession on 2 different occasions.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by STFD

It's not clear that white had possession and if he did have control, I would bet that he's asking for a time out (although we can't see from the video) - seems kind of unfair to not grant white the timeout AND reset the shot clock.

Assuming they would be asking for a timeout when there is no such evidence is not a good way to call the game. White had possession one time for sure and likely two time. The shot clock should have been reset. And the clock operator has the worst view of when to reset it in these types of plays. On shots, sure, they usually get it (but not always). In this case, I'm not trusting their opinion for anything.

[STFD]

I'm not suggesting we assume the TO request, just that we would likely see a request if the video showed the front side of this play. What I find interesting is that it's a gray area play that can be adjudicated in several reasonable ways. What's the "right" way? I'm still leaning toward a violation, but what do I know?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by STFD

I'm not suggesting we assume the TO request, just that we would likely see a request if the video showed the front side of this play. What I find interesting is that it's a gray area play that can be adjudicated in several reasonable ways. What's the "right" way? I'm still leaning toward a violation, but what do I know?

Why would you lean towards a violation when you can see the other team holding the ball before it gets to 25 seconds? The fact that the shot clock operator couldn't see it is not a relevant fact.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by STFD

What's the "right" way?

Depends entirely on whether white had the ball, whether white requested a TO, whether the held ball was judged to happen at 26 or at 25 seconds.