UGA/Bama Incidental Contact/Technical Foul (Video)

[Raymond]

1) A1 was smacked (dictionary definition ) in the head. I call all strikes to the head as fouls no matter how good the block is.

2) B1 actually knocked over B2

3) Rule 9-6-7 -- He maintained his pivot foot. Also, the NCAA wants a foul when a ball handler is contacted from behind and ends up on the ground.

[refinks]

#1- That's a foul every time if a guy gets whacked in the face like that, I don't care if it did come after a great block. Gotta protect the shooters. Follow through on the arm, I probably pass on, follow through in the face, is a foul.

#2- At first look I thought it was a good call, but in looking at it again, it definitely looks like the Georgia player was knocked over by his own teammate. Tough angle for the L to see, but I definitely don't have a team control foul here.

#3- I don't care who I'm working with, if you come storming into MY area like that and overrule MY call without at least talking to me first, then we are going to have a chat in the locker room, and I guarantee it won't be nice. I could be working with an assignor and would still give him a piece of my mind. Granted, I might not be working in that area anymore, but that was a complete bush league move by Jamie Luckie, on a call that I don't think he got correct anyways.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refinks

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#3- I don't care who I'm working with, if you come storming into MY area like that and overrule MY call without at least talking to me first, then we are going to have a chat in the locker room, and I guarantee it won't be nice. I could be working with an assignor and would still give him a piece of my mind. Granted, I might not be working in that area anymore, but that was a complete bush league move by Jamie Luckie, on a call that I don't think he got correct anyways.

Before or after discussing the wrongness of calling a travel.

[refinks]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Before or after discussing the wrongness of calling a travel.

I could care less about whether it was a travel or a foul, in fact I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to make that call, and I know the NCAA rules differ from the NFHS rules.

My point is, it was a bush league move by Jamie Luckie, and I would not tolerate it, whether my call was wrong or not. You want to race in and talk to me about it and let ME change it, that's fine, but to come in like that, make both of us look like complete buffoons.. yea that's not going to happen without a major talk in the locker room after the game.

Would be very interested to know exactly how that postgame was.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refinks

I could care less about whether it was a travel or a foul, in fact I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to make that call, and I know the NCAA rules differ from the NFHS rules.

This is a foul under every single rule set.

Could I do without the theatrics? Sure...not a big fan of it. But I also would have the belief, that at that level, if my partner comes in like this, he saw something that I didn't see and had to be got...like a foul preceding/causing a travel.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by APG

This is a foul under every single rule set.

Could I do without the theatrics? Sure...not a big fan of it. But I also would have the belief, that at that level, if my partner comes in like this, he saw something that I didn't see and had to be got...like a foul preceding/causing a travel.

Sure, but why did Luckie wait until after the L had gone with a travel to hold up his fist and then storm on in to let everyone know who was in charge? I guarantee that if Luckie had just talked to him instead of flying in like a madman and looking like a buffoon, the L would have acquiesced without any argument.

[APG]

He probably thought the lead saw the same thing he did and was going to call the foul..then realized that oh **** he went with a travel.

At this point, he's going to have to come up with a fist. And with such a late whistle, he's going to have to sell it a bit. I still don't agree with the theatrics of running in and all the pointing and what not...that I think should have been done without.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by refinks

My point is, it was a bush league move by Jamie Luckie, and I would not tolerate it, whether my call was wrong or not. You want to race in and talk to me about it and let ME change it, that's fine, but to come in like that, make both of us look like complete buffoons.. yea that's not going to happen without a major talk in the locker room after the game.

What was there for the L to change? Luckie had a different call that preceded that travel. He was not saying the travel was incorrect. He, like we are taught to do, watched the entire play from start to finish. The L beat him to the whistle so he held off. But, when he realized that the 2nd infraction was called instead of the first, he came in with what he had. He didn't overrule his partner. Nothing about what he did said the travel didn't happen. He just said he had a foul before the travel. That happens a lot....all without discussion. It is usually done with less theatrics, however.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What was there for the L to change? Luckie had a different call that preceded that travel. He was not saying the travel was incorrect. He, like we are taught to do, watched the entire play from start to finish. The L beat him to the whistle so he held off. But, when he realized that the 2nd infraction was called instead of the first, he came in with what he had. He didn't overrule his partner. Nothing about what he did said the travel didn't happen. He just said he had a foul before the travel. That happens a lot....all without discussion. It is usually done with less theatrics, however.

He may have observed what he believed to be a foul before the travel, but he didn't actually call it before the travel. Instead he waited until after his partner whistled and signaled for a travel to then sound his whistle, put a fist in the air, and come running in like a crazy man.
That foul had better be a smack to the head or a flagrant 1 or 2 for an official to conduct himself like that. Then again we would have to ask why he simply doesn't put a whistle on the play when he observes it. If he is going to be looking there, then call there instead of trying to stay out of it until something he doesn't like occurs. In my opinion, the time for him to get involved had passed. He should have lived with and supported his partner's call.

[Raymond]

1) It was not a travel per 9-6.7 and A.R. 198.

2) NCAA-Men's wants a foul called when A1 goes to the ground following contact from a defender who is behind A1.

3) The Lead recognized right away what Luckie was calling, and gave a nod of approval. These guys have known each other for years. They know each others' officiating personalities.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In my opinion, the time for him to get involved had passed. He should have lived with and supported his partner's call.

The lead probably went into the locker room and thanked his partner for not having this mentality and getting the call wrong....especially on a contact emphasized as a foul by the powers that be.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He may have observed what he believed to be a foul before the travel, but he didn't actually call it before the travel. Instead he waited until after his partner whistled and signaled for a travel to then sound his whistle, put a fist in the air, and come running in like a crazy man.
That foul had better be a smack to the head or a flagrant 1 or 2 for an official to conduct himself like that. Then again we would have to ask why he simply doesn't put a whistle on the play when he observes it. If he is going to be looking there, then call there instead of trying to stay out of it until something he doesn't like occurs. In my opinion, the time for him to get involved had passed. He should have lived with and supported his partner's call.

How much should the official have been fined this time?

[JRutledge]

#1: No call. Blocks the ball and jumps backwards.

#2: PC Foul all the way.

#3: I have more of a travel. I think he falls more on his own. I do not like how far the T had to come the official was to make that call.

Peace

[zm1283]

1. Foul

2. TC foul

3. I would never come in like he did and would let my partner live and die with that play right in front of him. I also don't work in the SEC, so they can do things this way if the supervisor is okay with it. There are times to go catch a big fish in someone else's pond, I have a hard time thinking this is one of those times.

[La Rikardo]

I'm fine with #1 being a foul, but if this is called, it should be a common foul, no? The shooter did not release the ball on the try before he lost control of the ball, so he's not an airborne shooter.