Kentucky-Florida 4 second call?? (Video)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Let's talk a little 3-person theory. What is the strong side? Which officials are on that side? Why does the Trail look for post travels?

Whatever side the ball is on. Trail and Lead. Because he typically doesn't have any competitive matchups in his area and helps out the Lead who is reffing waist up and watching for contact. What do I win??

[APG]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Anyone else catch the four second count on the inbounds at 18:28 in the first half? One camera angle shows the official bouncing the ball and beginning his count, and you can see his arm clearly count to four before he whistles it dead.

Originally Posted by frezer11

Also 6:50 left in the second half, travel? Maybe they missed it due to the transition?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

Originally Posted by Rich

Someone please post this one so we can judge for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree that Bilas was sanctimonious and unduly negative. His disdain for what I believed was a fully correct PC against Kentucky with about 2 minutes left was absurd.

[dahoopref]

Thanks for posting APG.

The final clip frame convinces me it was a travel.

#21 catches the ball with his left hand and establishes his left foot as the pivot simultaneously. He lifts the pivot up and brings it down before releasing the ball to the floor. I don't love that the T didn't close down immediately after his call but I believe it was a CC.

[Rich]

It's the replay from under the basket that sold me on the travel last night. Both feet move on the pump fake, well before the dribble. The left foot's the pivot, it's lifted well before the dribble. It's also replanted, which isn't necessary for a travel call since the player dribbled, but it sure makes it an even easier call.

No problem with the player control foul -- that dip of the shoulder and subsequent use of it is enough for me.

[Raymond]

1) appears quick but do we have the whole play?

2) definitely traveled

3) It's a travel, but the Slot should have had that. Trail did come from a long way to get it because he works so far from the basket.

4) Easy PC...and again Trail is a long way from the play

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) appears quick but do we have the whole play?

Thanks APG, you the man! The first play the ball is bounced to the inbounder while the camera is at a different angle, a sideline view showing Coach Donovan, but you can see the inbound play at the other end of the court. The view then changes to the one you see in the video posted, and there are only three more counts before a five second call is made.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) appears quick but do we have the whole play?

2) definitely traveled

3) It's a travel, but the slot should have had that. Trail did come from a long way to get it because he works so far from the basket.

4) Easy PC...and again Trail is a long way from the play

Waiting for someone to come in and ask, "What is a slot?" LOL.

Originally Posted by frezer11

Thanks APG, you the man! The first play the ball is bounced to the inbounder while the camera is at a different angle, a sideline view showing Coach Donovan, but you can see the inbound play at the other end of the court. The view then changes to the one you see in the video posted, and there are only three more counts before a five second call is made.

Is it possible he didn't swing the arm for the 5th count? There's a 1-second-ish delay between what appears to be the fourth swing and the calling of the violation.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by Rich

Waiting for someone to come in and ask, "What is a slot?" LOL.

Apparently a bunch of NBA referees post in here

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) appears quick but do we have the whole play?

2) definitely traveled

3) It's a travel, but the slot should have had that. Trail did come from a long way to get it because he works so far from the basket.

4) Easy PC...and again Trail is a long way from the play

I completely agree on all four points.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Rich

Is it possible he didn't swing the arm for the 5th count? There's a 1-second-ish delay between what appears to be the fourth swing and the calling of the violation.

I actually think you're probably right, I just don't know why anyone would do that. When I watched it live, I actually rewound and pulled out the old stopwatch and timed it: 5.04 is what I had. Legitimate 5 seconds yes, but very odd to not actually count the full 5.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) appears quick but do we have the whole play?

2) definitely traveled

3) It's a travel, but the slot should have had that. Trail did come from a long way to get it because he works so far from the basket.

4) Easy PC...and again Trail is a long way from the play

Now that I've seen a better view of 3, I now agree on all.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Whatever side the ball is on. Trail and Lead. Because he typically doesn't have any competitive matchups in his area and helps out the Lead who is reffing waist up and watching for contact. What do I win??

All of those are correct. Now when you consider that the Center isn't as close to a post match-up as the Lead and this extra distance permits him to see floor to ceiling instead of just looking for contact from the waist up, you will understand why the Center can call his own travel violations as well as look for fouls and doesn't need the Trail coming in to help. Often the post player situation on the C's side is merely 1 v 1 as it is the weak side and the ball comes there quickly on a short pass from the strong side. This means that the C has a clear and open look at these players in his PCA. If the play doesn't finish quickly and several players come over to contest the action, the Lead should rotate and the old C becomes the new Trail and continues to look for traveling. Either way, the old Trail is not involved. That's how it works in theory anyway.