Kentucky-Florida 4 second call?? (Video)

[Nevadaref]

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

Yeah saw that one too. I think they struggled a bit tonight. Bilas was his ridiculous self again tonight too...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

Someone please post this one so we can judge for ourselves.

Bilas was really ridiculous when he screamed flop earlier and even worse when he argued for a foul against an empty had. Call him and idiot would be an insult to idiots.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

Replay shows you are wrong. Pat was at Trail -- primary on all post traveling.

Some of you may be able to browse to the plays (18:28 first half and 6:50, 1:54, and 0:52 second half) here: ESPN3 -- Kentucky vs. Florida

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Replay shows you are wrong. Pat was at Trail -- primary on all post traveling.

I fully understand that he was the Trail. (Hence my choice to write that he came from 1,000 FT away.). Doesn't magically make his call correct. He can't see the ball on the other side of the player's body.

Furthermore, I haven't been taught that the Trail watches for traveling by post players on the C's side. He can certainly help, but he isn't primary.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Doesn't magically make his call correct.

Doesn't magically make his call incorrect either.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Furthermore, I haven't been taught that the Trail watches for traveling by post players on the C's side. He can certainly help, but he isn't primary.

Outside the paint on C side? Not Trail's primary. Good thing this was in the paint. Pat had a wide open look at the players feet and he made a great CC.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Outside the paint on C side? Not Trail's primary. Good thing this was in the paint. Pat had a wide open look at the players feet and he made a great CC.

Clearly we disagree on the correctness of the decision and also the primary calling official.

Let's talk a little 3-person theory. What is the strong side? Which officials are on that side? Why does the Trail look for post travels?

[frezer11]

I still think his call was incorrect. It looks to me as though the player had started his dribble before his feet moved. Even if it is his primary, he was in no position to see the dribble being started, and probably based his decision only on the feet moving.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I still think his call was incorrect. It looks to me as though the player had started his dribble before his feet moved. Even if it is his primary, he was in no position to see the dribble being started, and probably based his decision only on the feet moving.

To be more precise, did the dribble begin before the pivot foot was lifted and could Pat Adams see that from his position. My belief is that he doesn't have x-ray vision.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Let's talk a little 3-person theory. What is the strong side? Which officials are on that side? Why does the Trail look for post travels?

Whatever side the ball is on. Trail and Lead. Because he typically doesn't have any competitive matchups in his area and helps out the Lead who is reffing waist up and watching for contact. What do I win??

[APG]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Anyone else catch the four second count on the inbounds at 18:28 in the first half? One camera angle shows the official bouncing the ball and beginning his count, and you can see his arm clearly count to four before he whistles it dead.

Originally Posted by frezer11

Also 6:50 left in the second half, travel? Maybe they missed it due to the transition?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pat Adams just came from a thousand feet away and whistled a travel under the basket with 52 seconds left saying it was prior to the foul the other two officials were calling. Replay shows he was wrong and that the FL player had begun a dribble.

Originally Posted by Rich

Someone please post this one so we can judge for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree that Bilas was sanctimonious and unduly negative. His disdain for what I believed was a fully correct PC against Kentucky with about 2 minutes left was absurd.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Whatever side the ball is on. Trail and Lead. Because he typically doesn't have any competitive matchups in his area and helps out the Lead who is reffing waist up and watching for contact. What do I win??

All of those are correct. Now when you consider that the Center isn't as close to a post match-up as the Lead and this extra distance permits him to see floor to ceiling instead of just looking for contact from the waist up, you will understand why the Center can call his own travel violations as well as look for fouls and doesn't need the Trail coming in to help. Often the post player situation on the C's side is merely 1 v 1 as it is the weak side and the ball comes there quickly on a short pass from the strong side. This means that the C has a clear and open look at these players in his PCA. If the play doesn't finish quickly and several players come over to contest the action, the Lead should rotate and the old C becomes the new Trail and continues to look for traveling. Either way, the old Trail is not involved. That's how it works in theory anyway.

[Rich]

The distance away means nothing to me. The other two were focused on contact. I only care if the player actually traveled or not.

[SC Official]

That sure looked like a correct travel call on the SportsCenter replay. Florida player shuffles his feet while holding the ball before the contact occurs.

Bilas is an a**hole, he always will be, and his opinion is not valued by anyone that has the first clue about officiating.