Foul or good block? (Video)

[JRutledge]

Peace

[ballgame99]

This is just an unfortunate call. The pinch of the paint actually resulted in a worse angle than if he had stayed, C looking right at it, L assumed illegal contact had occurred when the defender was actually vertical. Great block.

[Raymond]

Good block, as the lead I try to leave the stuff up high to the slot and trail

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Good block, as the lead I try to leave the stuff up high to the slot and trail

Meant to add, especially when it's across the paint. I don't like looking through the backboard for fouls.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Meant to add, especially when it's across the paint. I don't like looking through the backboard for fouls.

Exactly. C has a perfect look at every element of this play: body, arms, lift, etc. You gotta know what you can't see at each position, trust your partners, and don't guess.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Exactly. C has a perfect look at every element of this play: body, arms, lift, etc. You gotta know what you can't see at each position, trust your partners, and don't guess.

But that has nothing to do with the players' position on the floor and everything to do with the relative position of the offensive and defensive players. Outside officials need to be willing to come in if needed and leads need to know that sometimes that C/T has a better look and it's better to not guess.

This equation changes a bit in a 2-person game.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Meant to add, especially when it's across the paint. I don't like looking through the backboard for fouls.

Agreed and that's what I meant when I originally posted about this being a good example of when not to call across the paint.

I understand Rich's point about this play being in the middle of the lane and something the L can come get if he needs to. But the stuff up top should be left to the outside guys. If there is body contact that needs to be called then the L may certainly have a look at it but that's not the case here. We don't no exactly what the L called here but it really doesnt matter b/c its clearly not a foul any way we look at it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Agreed and that's what I meant when I originally posted about this being a good example of when not to call across the paint.

I understand Rich's point about this play being in the middle of the lane and something the L can come get if he needs to. But the stuff up top should be left to the outside guys. If there is body contact that needs to be called then the L may certainly have a look at it but that's not the case here. We don't no exactly what the L called here but it really doesnt matter b/c its clearly not a foul any way we look at it.

It's funny -- I had a couple of fouls in a previous game where I, as the lead, had nothing....but the trail/center came in and got something up high, from behind.

I won't lie -- I spent quite a bit of time replaying these plays in my head wondering if I could've been in a better spot, looking in a better place. In the end, I realized what you said -- some fouls just belong to the outside guys.

In 2-person, we work deeper on the end line to try to get some of these angles we need to get cause we don't have the same level of help outside. In 3-person, this just isn't necessary or even desirable.

The point I was trying to hammer home is that we cannot let a mechanics manual and primary areas define how we officiate plays. There's a reason we have secondary areas. And when someone takes it to the rack, we all need to have good position in case something happens that only we can see. And then trust our partners and don't guess.

[APG]

It's a clean block...if I had to venture a guess, the official would have tried to justify the call with saying the defender "got him with the body." Absolutely hate that term.

[mutantducky]

good block.
did the shot blocker play in college? big guy

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

good block.
did the shot blocker play in college? big guy

The shot blocker is in the NBA right now.

Peace

Clean block. Gotta let big guys block shots and not give them cheap fouls.

Looks like Meyers Leonard to me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Clean block. Gotta let big guys block shots and not give them cheap fouls.

Looks like Meyers Leonard to me.

It is him. Playing for Portland, went to Illinois.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Terrible whistle.

Clean block and a good example of when not to call across the paint from the Lead.

And looks like Meyers Leonard to me as well.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

good block.
did the shot blocker play in college? big guy

He is a big guy mutant. 7'1". Meyers Leonard. Illinois and Portland now.

Good block with little contact on my screen. Zebra likely would want that one back.