Fouling at the buzzer

[APG]

Given the facts and absolutes you gave us, game over

[TriggerMN]

The game is most definitely not over. You've still got an overtime to play.

[JeffM]

I don't have the Case Book with me....

Shot cannot be good because it was released after the buzzer.

Shooter started shooting before the buzzer and was fouled before landing.

Shoot two free throws for a chance to win the game. Game is over if/when one free throw is made.

Almost everyone in attendance will be mad at the officials.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I don't have the Case Book with me....

Shot cannot be good because it was released after the buzzer.Shooter started shooting before the buzzer and was fouled before landing.
Shoot two free throws for a chance to win the game. Game is over if/when one free throw is made.

Almost everyone in attendance will be mad at the officials.

Correct.

Does the rule say "fouled before landing?" Or, does it use another term? How is that other term defined?

When does the ball become dead? Do any of the exceptions apply?

[Dewey33]

The guys debating this seem to be split. A handful say no shot (all agree) and no foul (unless its a flagrant or tech).

The rest say the shot attempt cant count, but the shooter is protected until he comes back to the ground. Therefore the foul would have to stand and shots coming.

It got pretty heated and wanted to get your guys opinions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dewey33

The guys debating this seem to be split. A handful say no shot (all agree) and no foul (unless its a flagrant or tech).

The rest say the shot attempt cant count, but the shooter is protected until he comes back to the ground. Therefore the foul would have to stand and shots coming.

It got pretty heated and wanted to get your guys opinions.

What you need to look at is the definition of an airborne shooter.

An airborne shooter is either attempting to release a try, or has already released a try. If the horn sounds before the try is released, he's not an airborne shooter.

Had he been fouled before the horn and not released the shot until after, then you'd shoot two free throws.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Adam

What you need to look at is the definition of an airborne shooter.

An airborne shooter is either attempting to release a try, or has already released a try. If the horn sounds before the try is released, he's not an airborne shooter.

Had he been fouled before the horn and not released the shot until after, then you'd shoot two free throws.

Careful. An airborne shooter by definition has released the ball. You're not an airborne shooter if you still have the ball in your hand. (NFHS 4-1-1)

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Dewey33

The guys debating this seem to be split. A handful say no shot (all agree) and no foul (unless its a flagrant or tech).

The rest say the shot attempt cant count, but the shooter is protected until he comes back to the ground. Therefore the foul would have to stand and shots coming.

It got pretty heated and wanted to get your guys opinions.

If the ball is in the shooters hands still when the horn sounds it becomes dead. If he releases it after the horn, then gets fouled it is ignored unless intentional/flagrant/tech. If the ball goes in it doesnt count. dead ball went through the basket. The horn blowing while ball still in his hands means nothing but intentional/flagrant/technical fouls penalized.
If defense steps in his landing area, shooter goes down, still nothing unless really bad as noted above.

Scenario 2. The ball is in the shooters hands, he gets fouled going up, (in the act)then horn sounds before ball is released, then ball is released and goes in. The basket does not count because he did not release the ball before the horn sounded. It was dead. However, he was fouled in the act before the horn sounded so he will get two free throws.

Scenario 3-shooter goes up, ball is released, horn sounds, then foul before he gets one foot down. when ball is released on the try before the horn sounds it remains live until it goes in or certain its missed. The player, an airborne shooter, is entitled to come down etc. If the ball goes in it counts and the game, if tied, is over. no need to shoot free throws. If it is missed he gets FTS for the foul.

Look at 6-7 live/dead ball stuff and its case plays as well as Airborne shooter, 4-1 and act of shooting 4-41 stuff as others pointed out. good luck

[APG]

Originally Posted by APG

Given the facts and absolutes you gave us, game over

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

The game is most definitely not over. You've still got an overtime to play.

Too early...you're correct.