Contacts

[deecee]

If any personnel has to come on the court to aid a player the kid's getting a sub or a TO to keep the kid on the court. Keeps it simple and I don't need the rules to cover every singly possible scenario to make a decision here. Common sense.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

If any personnel has to come on the court to aid a player the kid's getting a sub or a TO to keep the kid on the court. Keeps it simple and I don't need the rules to cover every singly possible scenario to make a decision here. Common sense.

*Well this is why we have discourse on this web--to deliberate on the "gray area" issues that inhere with our hoop game. As one poster said, it could be a "clever ruse", as another said it could have been "legitimate". The verbatim application of 3-3-6 vs. 5-11-4 balanced with common sense---each situation is context specific--how much time is required to re-insert a contact lens, how much time is too much--how much is too little--coaches use the time to meet with their team, it's all very context-specific no?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Well this is why we have discourse on this web--to deliberate on the "gray area" issues that inhere with our hoop game. As one poster said, it could be a "clever ruse", as another said it could have been "legitimate". The verbatim application of 3-3-6 vs. 5-11-4 balanced with common sense---each situation is context specific--how much time is required to re-insert a contact lens, how much time is too much--how much is too little--coaches use the time to meet with their team, it's all very context-specific no?

IMO, it's not.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by deecee

If any personnel has to come on the court to aid a player the kid's getting a sub or a TO to keep the kid on the court. Keeps it simple and I don't need the rules to cover every singly possible scenario to make a decision here. Common sense.

I'd argue common sense goes the other way in this scenario and see no reason not to allow for the contact exception expressed in the rules.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I'd argue common sense goes the other way in this scenario and see no reason not to allow for the contact exception expressed in the rules.

I agree.

If the contact comes out, there's no way I'm putting mine back in without rinsing with saline. And, since I normally don't carry that with me on the court, I have to have a visit from the trainer.

So, I'm allowing a "reasonable time" to correct without penalty.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

If any personnel has to come on the court to aid a player the kid's getting a sub or a TO to keep the kid on the court. Keeps it simple and I don't need the rules to cover every singly possible scenario to make a decision here. Common sense.

An uncharged time-out is allowed by the rules in this specific situation, so the player may remain in the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

If any personnel has to come on the court to aid a player the kid's getting a sub or a TO to keep the kid on the court. Keeps it simple and I don't need the rules to cover every singly possible scenario to make a decision here. Common sense.

Rule treats contacts/glasses differently than injuries. A quick fix is best, even if it requires a trainer with a bottle of saline. I'm not going to go looking for trouble.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Rule treats contacts/glasses differently than injuries. A quick fix is best, even if it requires a trainer with a bottle of saline. I'm not going to go looking for trouble.

So what would define a reasonable amount of time? So vague if you ask me. I have never seen this happen, and glad that's the case.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

So what would define a reasonable amount of time? So vague if you ask me. I have never seen this happen, and glad that's the case.

It's vague, but the standard is the same whether or not a trainer comes onto the floor.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

So what would define a reasonable amount of time? So vague if you ask me. I have never seen this happen, and glad that's the case.

Sometimes you just need to officiate.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by deecee

So what would define a reasonable amount of time? So vague if you ask me. I have never seen this happen, and glad that's the case.

i kinda think you'll know it when you see it . . . I also think it is the kind of thing that people actually tend to be pretty reasonable about.

[crosscountry55]

NCAAW 3-6-3a says you have 20 seconds to deal with a lost, irritated or displaced contact lens. Otherwise you need a sub or a TO. Interesting that the NCAAW rules committee has sort of defined what a reasonable timeframe is for this issue. NCAAM and NFHS are more subjective with what is "reasonable."

Anyone know this history behind this rules nuance in the NCAAW book?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

i kinda think you'll know it when you see it . . . I also think it is the kind of thing that people actually tend to be pretty reasonable about.

Unfortunately in basketball there are often times when "reasonable" is in short supply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Unfortunately in basketball there are often times when "reasonable" is in short supply.

The lack of frequency here renders the concerns moot, IMO. If it starts to happen regularly, I think the NFHS would be more than willing to get a heavy hand.