Definite Knowledge?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by frezer11

So here's the question, can you use the knowledge of less than 0.3 on the scorekeeper's digital readout that is NOT on the gym's scoreboard to make a decision?

It's been discussed here before (but not in many years, I don't think) -- the general consensus is "no" -- use the information on the visible scoreboard only.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jerkins

It's been discussed here before (but not in many years, I don't think) -- the general consensus is "no" -- use the information on the visible scoreboard only.

I also remember it that way. I would still like to see some type of citation. Nevadaref? A little help here, please.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I also remember it that way. I would still like to see some type of citation. Nevadaref? A little help here, please.

It's in the rules. 5-2-5 Note.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It's in the rules. 5-2-5 Note.

And that's what we had concluded. The only issue I have, is if The score clock itself, not the scoreboard, shows 0.2 seconds left, and by whatever means I am made aware of that, I would have a hard time counting a non tap-in when I know it should not have counted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

And that's what we had concluded. The only issue I have, is if The score clock itself, not the scoreboard, shows 0.2 seconds left, and by whatever means I am made aware of that, I would have a hard time counting a non tap-in when I know it should not have counted.

If you feel that way you need to make a point of not being made aware of it.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you feel that way you need to make a point of not being made aware of it.

I absolutely agree, I guess I was thinking if you didn't ask and the table buzzed you over and told you for some reason. If they start and stop the clock properly, it shouldn't matter, because they want to get that shot off regardless, but if they aren't as sharp, and the shooter gets the shot off before the buzzer? Man, that leaves a nasty taste in your mouth

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

5-2-5 Note.

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths
(.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control
of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.
NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

Which clock are they referring to?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths
(.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control
of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.
NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

Which clock are they referring to?

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

I agree with you, but how about some type of citation, anything that we can hang our hat on, something other than our memories.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree with you, but how about some type of citation, anything that we can hang our hat on, something other than our memories.

I'm not relying on memory. There is no provision in the rules for checking the time at the table.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

I disagree. The clock is on the table, the display of the clock is on the wall.

If the clock at the table has 0.2, we have 0.2 and we can know it. Why ignore it?

[crosscountry55]

It's not very often that you have a wall clock that does not display 1/10ths of a second but a box at the table that does. If this happens, it may be because the 1/10ths of a second function is not enabled on the box.

Moral of the story: Apply 2-4-1 before the game and "inspect and approve all equipment....". If you notice the clock is not displaying 1/10ths of a second as the pre-game clock is winding down, check with the timer to see if said function is disabled.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I disagree. The clock is on the table, the display of the clock is on the wall.

If the clock at the table has 0.2, we have 0.2 and we can know it. Why ignore it?

Because the teams can't see it. The game clock is what is required by rule 1-15.
"A visible game clock and scoreboard are mandatory. An alternate timing device and scoring information system shall be available in the event of malfunction."

The console at the table is not the visible game clock required by rule.