Throw-in

[rab3838]

I had this happen to me on Sat. night and the Coach wanted a violation called, but I did not make it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rab3838

I had this happen to me on Sat. night and the Coach wanted a violation called, but I did not make it.

You'll find coaches think all sorts of actions are violations. They're rarely right. He's probably had it called against him by a brand new official.

[Coach Bill]

Spot throw-in: What if the inbounder dribbles it off his foot and the ball rolls outside the 3-foot box while remaining out of bounds. Is it violation immediately or do u wait until the five second count?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Spot throw-in: What if the inbounder dribbles it off his foot and the ball rolls outside the 3-foot box while remaining out of bounds. Is it violation immediately or do u wait until the five second count?

Violation immediately.

[just another ref]

Okay to bounce it as long as he doesn't bounce it inbounds.

Originally Posted by Adam

Violation immediately.

What violation has occurred pray tell?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What violation has occurred pray tell?

You're right, I was thinking of the free throw scenario. That's a violation immediately. This, you can wait 5 seconds or use the free throw as precedent.

[SNIPERBBB]

Think there used to be a similar case play for a throw-in after a made basket that if the new offensive team doesnt get out of bounds properly to make the throw in and its apparent they cannot make the proper throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Spot throw-in: What if the inbounder dribbles it off his foot and the ball rolls outside the 3-foot box while remaining out of bounds. Is it violation immediately or do u wait until the five second count?

Wait until an actual violation occurs -- either five seconds or the thrower leaving the designated spot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wait until an actual violation occurs -- either five seconds or the thrower leaving the designated spot.

Right.

9.2.1B

Note that NCAAW (at least) is different. Readminister the throw-in. AR 165.

I prefer the FED case.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Right.

9.2.1B

Note that NCAAW (at least) is different. Readminister the throw-in. AR 165.

I prefer the FED case.

In NCAAW, could a player do this intentionally to avoid a five-second count?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

9.2.1B

9.2.1 SITUATION B: A1, out of bounds for a designated spot throw-in: (a)
muffs the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) after receiving the ball
from the official, fumbles the ball and leaves the designated spot to retrieve the
fumble. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to prevent any violations
and then start the throw-in procedure again. No throw-in violation should
be called in this situation. In (b), a throw-in violation shall be called on A1 for
leaving the designated spot.

Nice citation, but this play doesn't tell us what to do if he doesn't leave the designated spot?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.2.1 SITUATION B: A1, out of bounds for a designated spot throw-in: (a)
muffs the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) after receiving the ball
from the official, fumbles the ball and leaves the designated spot to retrieve the
fumble. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to prevent any violations
and then start the throw-in procedure again. No throw-in violation should
be called in this situation. In (b), a throw-in violation shall be called on A1 for
leaving the designated spot.

Nice citation, but this play doesn't tell us what to do if he doesn't leave the designated spot?

Continue doing what you were doing, which was counting to 5.

Obviously, by stating that we call a violation for A1 leaving the spot, there is a time between the fumble and violation that we are not supposed to anything but continue counting.

A lot better question to advance the conversation would be, "can Team A call a time-out after the fumble?"

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wait until an actual violation occurs -- either five seconds or the thrower leaving the designated spot.

So, would this be legal:

Spot throw-in:

Inbounder dribbles the ball off his leg, it rolls down the sideline out of bounds 5-10 feet ish where a spectator tosses it back to him. He inbounds it. As long as this is accomplished before the 5 seconds count, and he doesn't leave the spot, is this legal?

[mutantducky]

ha, I was just about to ask that too. I'm thinking violation. that would be interesting.
Also, I suppose this not a violation? Player makes a bounce pass, so it hits out of bounds(in front of the passer) first then inbounds.