"Shooter Changes His Mind" Travel (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This case play, like this thread, had nothing to do with traveling.

This thread is about traveling because if you determined A1 to have started a dribble when dropping the ball, then by definition he lifted his pivot foot prior to releasing the ball for a dribble.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This thread is about traveling because if you determined A1 to have started a dribble when dropping the ball, then by definition he lifted his pivot foot prior to releasing the ball for a dribble.

You're right, of course. I should have said traveling is only a by-product on this thread.

[potato]

It should be a double dribble more than a travel. Travel if he didn't start & ended his 1st dribble prior.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, if a ball handler picks up his dribble, expecting a teammate to cut right, makes a bounce pass to the right, but the teammate cuts left instead of right, and the pass is bounced to nobody, under those conditions you can determine if it was a pass, or a dibble?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This thread is about traveling because if you determined A1 to have started a dribble when dropping the ball, then by definition he lifted his pivot foot prior to releasing the ball for a dribble.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by potato

It should be a double dribble more than a travel. Travel if he didn't start & ended his 1st dribble prior.

You want to explain what difference it makes?

[potato]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You want to explain what difference it makes?

the outcome is the same however the ref has to signal the correct signal since traveling & double dribble has different hand sign.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by potato

It should be a double dribble more than a travel. Travel if he didn't start & ended his 1st dribble prior.

Whether A1 dribbled prior to jumping and dropping the ball is irrelevant to whether or not he committed a violation in this play.

We are discussing the philosophy of when the violation occurs, immediately or after A1 retouches the ball.

[Pantherdreams]

I guess in my head I'm equating this to teams that run a lot of dribble hand offs. Imagine players constantly running at each other and then players taking off to dribble drive or bounce pass/hand off the ball. If A2 is running towards A1 and A1 releases the ball at the ground after lifting his back foot, I need to wait until either he touches it again or to see if A2 collects the dropped ball before I can determine if A1 traveled. If he's dribbling yes, if he's passing no.

So if a player jumps up and releases the ball I need to see what the next action is to consider whether or not its a dribble/pass/fumble/etc.